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Federal agents on Wednesday morning hauled more than 120 firearms, including "machine guns," out of the Ahwatukee Foothills home of a man suspected of shooting at a campaign office for the Democratic Party three times and posting bags of white powder labeled as poison near political signs.

Jeffrey Michael Kelly, 60, was arrested on Tuesday night near his Ahwatukee Foothills home by Tempe police who, according to court documents, used surveillance footage to find the suspect.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Phoenix attorney Paul Weich told The Republic he was running as a Democrat for state representative in Legislative District 12 in 2022 when he had a run-in with Kelly. Prompted by several hundred dollars' worth of his campaign signs going missing in June 2022, Weich hired an investigator who he said found surveillance video catching Kelly in the act.

Despite evidence pointing to Kelly as the perpetrator, Weich said law enforcement did not move to arrest him. Weich said that Phoenix police feared that approaching Kelly would pose a threat to their safety. A prosecutor out of the Phoenix City Attorney’s Office declined to pursue charges, Weich said.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

If you are a cop afraid to confront a criminal, isn’t that what special units are for? Like wtf are we giving SWAT teams tanks for if they can’t deal with this?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They also could just arrest him when he left his house for beers or whatever. They dont have to no knock him like he's "sleeping while black" or anything.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If he was handicapped and homeless they would be neck checking this fucker. Probably ly a lie anyway...I bet they went, questioned him, had a big laugh, shook hands and called it a day. This is PHXPD

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Can't be worse than Mesa PD...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

They'll always have excuses, it's how they justify bigger budgets and ridiculous departmental purchases.

"What if they have anti tank rockets?" "What if they're using suicide drones?" "What if they start taking shots at us with phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range?"

The spectre of the unstoppable criminal provides an extra profit stream for defense contractors on top of forever wars.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

So they can get new profile pictures for their social media accounts

[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

proof that phoenix police are cowards.. they freakin admit it outright

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, they just agree with the shooter.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

How about both?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Despite evidence pointing to Kelly as the perpetrator, Weich said law enforcement did not move to arrest him. Weich said that Phoenix police feared that approaching Kelly would pose a threat to their safety.

That's literally their job. They aren't going to send regular officers to that shit. There are teams specifically trained for those situations. Whoever made that decision should be fired and blacklisted from ever working as an officer again. But we know nothing will happen about it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Seems like those cops went to the same school as the Uvalde piss babies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They may have. Third party police training is common, and a few companies train large numbers of officers (to be mortally afraid of any unexpected loud sound).

[–] MagicShel 8 points 3 weeks ago

Did you notice the part where it was Dems being shot at? Could be a correlation between who the cops serve and protect and what side of the aisle they identify with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Limited property damage and a liberal...no resources for that around here.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Coward cops doing cowardly things.

Partisan prosecutors propping up their Republican buddies.

Justice for some in America, like usual.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

This guy seems dangerous. We should probably just leave him alone.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry, we can't keep you safe, we're too scared. Buy us another tank and some more military tactical gear so we can feel big and strong again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

"Weird. I guess it's both sides, then!"

-Our liberal media.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I do wish they’d stop citing weapons caches when making arrests. Just as many shootings are done by people with access to a single firearm as are done by people with over a hundred weapons.

If there were crated assault rifles, that would be worth making a deal about… but people are allowed to collect weapons in the US, and that doesn’t suddenly change anything when a suspect is arrested.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago

It can sometimes speak to the suspect's state of mind. A large number of historical firearms neatly displayed in a secured room is different from 2 dozen loaded AR-15s strewn about in every room of the house "in case BLM comes knocking."

When you get to hundreds of guns it is quite often a situation of compulsive hoarding. Not necessarily criminal, but often careless (as leaving unsecured firearms around is careless), and indicative of mental health issues.

Neighbors describe this specimen as a "January-6-type-guy" and avoided him.

Speaking as someone with his own gun collection, weapon collecting will always be considered eccentric at best. You're going to have to live with that stigma.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

While I generally agree with the sentiment... The type of person to shoot up a political campaign office is a threat to their community and shouldn't have access to firearms.

What are the odds that he had "hundreds of firearms" properly secured? I highly doubt all of these weapons were properly secured with locks, in a safe, etc. and not at risk of an unauthorized individual gaining access to them easily.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

The type of person to shoot up a political campaign office is a threat to their community and shouldn't have access to firearms.

Kind of a pointless thing to say, unless you have some breakthrough methods of how to identify the type beforehand...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It gets the views up. Same with 'including "machine guns"' even tho there is no real evidence of that, just:

A reporter overheard mention of handguns being found in a master bathroom safe and the words “machine gun” and "silencers.”

"overheard mention" Top notch journalism.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, if the police aren't providing additional info directly yet, what other reporting do you expect?

Not that what the police say is necessarily the truth about a situation either, anything they claim should be taken with at least a pinch of salt nowadays if not a whole salt lick.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Something verifiable would be nice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

he was trying to shoot people, politically motivated, and you don't think it's relevant that he owned enough weapons to arm a small militia????

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

But it should change. No one should be allowed to own weapons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem with that is that everyone owns plenty of weapons.

Firearms make more sense stored at a range or hunting club, unless you live somewhere where you actually need one handy (for defense against large cats/bears for example), but pretty much everyone owns knives, rope, wire, ammonia and bleach, etc. and many own fertilizer, cars, chainsaws, and the like.

There’s absolutely no reason to store even a semiautomatic firearm at a place of residence though unless you’re rich enough to have your own security service and dedicated secure building in which to house the things. And handguns have always seemed pretty pointless to me (I’m sure someone must have a legitimate use for them that doesn’t involve aiming at people or use in a firing range, but I don’t).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

As a person who has unfortunately been forced to use a firearm to defend the life of myself and my family during a break in where the guy had handcuffs etc, I read this as you telling me we should just be dead. if "you’re rich enough to have your own security service " you don't need a weapon at all. The rest of us unfortunately may have to defend ourselves. I am aware this is only an anecdotal argument not a statistical one, but as the guy who did not have to watch unspeakable things happen to his family, I'm OK with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's just a fantasy that would require a magical wizard with near omnipotence to implement.

In reality, weapons are everywhere and millions are unregistered / unknown to authorities, in addition to the fact that tools and parts to build them are nearly ubiquitous. They will always exist regardless of legality, but we are fortunately endowed with the right to bear them so that no one is forced to be without any means of self defense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Australia is a magical place, after all.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

So just a regular Republican domestic terrorist?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Oh my, if only literally everyone could see this coming.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I have not seen a picture, but I am going to guess he is only mentally ill.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

just curious if the urge brought the guns or did the guns bring the urge?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

"Your honor, just LOOK at him."

"Guilty! Next case."