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Summary

Donald Trump’s allies are worried that Elon Musk’s supposed canvassing efforts could cost them the election.

Elon Musk’s America PAC is under fire for allegedly faking canvassing data and mistreating workers on Donald Trump’s campaign. Roughly a quarter of reported door-knocks in Arizona and Nevada were flagged as “unusual,” suggesting location spoofing. Canvassers also report poor conditions, including working through a hurricane and being transported in a U-Haul instead of promised rentals. Frustrated Republican operatives are urging Trump to abandon Musk’s PAC due to its operational failures.

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Elon Musk forgot the formula for success he used in all his other businesses:

  • Buy a bussiness made by smart people

  • Pour money into it

  • Don't fuck it up too much

[–] [email protected] 126 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And the Trump formula:

  • Get someone gullible supporting you

  • Use him up

  • Blame him for everything and throw him under the bus

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago

I can't wait for this to happen to Elmo Muskrat.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hes been high on his own supply for too long. He thinks everything he touches will succeed just because.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Well put. I never anticipated this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

When is he going to do points #2 and #3 for Twitter

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Point 2 was him buying the company. Now we're on step 2.5: cost savings to make it profitable. Unfortunately, Shitter will never be profitable now that they've fucked up #3 and destroyed the brand and are working on turning shitter into a Nazi bar.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Eh. I’m honestly pretty convinced at this point that the ultimate intent was never really to make money with Twitter.

Sure, he would have liked to recoup his costs. But at the end of the day, eel on musk paid 40something billion dollars to buy one of the most prolific social media companies in the history of social media. It’s just a big megaphone with speakers in everyone’s smartphones. It’s a propaganda device. He is openly using it to try to swing public opinion towards Trump (amongst various other things), and has been since about 6 months after he bought it and “cleaned house”. He’s using it to try to directly affect the result of the election. That’s it. That’s his plan. And he thinks he’ll become cemented into Trump’s inner circle if he pulls it off.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He spent 40B mostly of other people’s money. His liability is like 12B. The more interesting question is why various stodgy bankers gave him the other 28B.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The more interesting question is why various stodgy bankers gave him the other 28B.

Because that's how the system works.

If you have $5,000 and owe 15,000, you're in debt and most likely have to work a shitload of hours in a dead end job for the rest of your life in a futile attempt to make ends meet.

If you have 3 billion dollars and owe 30 billion, you're a billionaire and get to do whatever you want consequence free, including breaking all of the laws.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Point 1 was him buying the company though. He has not poured any money into it, as you say he has done quite the reverse

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Note that when people say "pour money into a company" they mean "invest wisely in the parts of the company that work" not "buy a thing with a big price tag" those are two completely separate things

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

You and I understand that, but I bet PG doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Leon Skum:

  • ~~Buy a bussiness made by smart people~~ I smart, I make business

  • Pour money into it - yes

  • Don't fuck it up too much - YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

It's that last one that's a real doozy for him

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Too bad he's bad at doing even that

[–] [email protected] 179 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It always cracks me up when people say private companies can do the job better with less regulation. Most businesses fail and the news is constantly full of stories about fraud.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And more often than not, these companies rely on handouts from the government anyway.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Especially if they are rich enough to buy the necessary politicians. Like Phoney Stark is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Especially these people indeed, it's one of the reasons they get so rich in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

And toxic shit and doors flying off of planes and stuff. But I guess the top ones got a little more money out of it for a quarter or two I guess...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Just gotta work in a big enough company to realize that it's no more efficient than the public sector. Compared to a business with 50 employees and a single boss? Sure, private sector is much more agile. Public services in the US have over 20 millions employees with about 3 millions for the federal government, what company has that many so we can compare apples to apples? Hint: None, Walmart is the biggest at 2 million employees.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The guy who blew vast sums of campaign money on fake canvassing (and vast sums of his own money on Twitter) is who Trump plans to put in charge of government waste. Let that sink in.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago

well let's not also forget the amount of taxpayer money dumped into Tesla/spacex/starlink! the guy is the biggest welfare leach, and most of his ideas were stolen from someone else!

so basically a welfare queen whining about "excess government spending". How ironic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Well he also wants to put anti vaxxer RFK Jr in a prominent role overseeing public health, so there's that too. Though I thought the role of Secretary of Transportation would go to Elon.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love when republicans think they are the smartest people on Earth as they stab themselves in the face. They literally deserve what they do to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I find your imagery accurate and disturbing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And I wish the GOPers would do a lot more of the "Stabbing themselves in the face" thing. It would keep them from bothering us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

it would be better if the just stopped acting so weird

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I’ve been waiting for the moment these two egos clash with each other and the ultimate breakup plays out in front of everyone.

I just hope it’s enough to be the final nail in the Trump campaign’s coffin, if it hasn’t already imploded enough on its own.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

I suspect that will happen after election day (3 days from now).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'll be happy enough if its "just" Elon who loses out.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Grifters grifting grifters lol.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

Republicans: The only thing that can make us lose is election interference.

Elon: You have my sword.

Republicans: Wait, no...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They can all eat shit and die.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Hopefully as soon as possible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

It’s a good thing that Musk is only a hereditary meritocrat, a person of mediocre ability able to buy his way into the ranks of the great, and having been surrounded by claques of sycophants for his entire life, having lost any capacity for self-criticism. So, of course when he put his visionary genius to work getting Trump elected, it went as well as you’d expect.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Trump leading in election betting odds? Feeling sick

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

Betting odds measure the vibes of people who gamble. Not exactly reliable

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Don’t get so stressed about completely made up numbers. Save it for Tuesday, then stress :)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Focus that stress energy and go volunteer!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Nah. I like to get a good head of steam on my stress before I go off the rails. Much more spectacular.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump and Musk probably just bought up enough to put them ahead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

I honestly think that’s true, plus faked polls, burn a few mail boxes that don’t matter. Just need enough weird things to happen to “credibly” claim voter fraud and give the state legislatures room to avoid certifying their elections.

[–] laranis 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not going to spend a second trying to find the answer, but I wonder if the odds-makers are distinguishing between who wins the election and who is the next leader of the United States. Because those may be different things.

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