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And no, I don't mean, the supposed "Playful Bullying" (that will upset me too, same with being teased), or being even lightly prodded.

The other day, I was questioned on whether I "actually am a leftist", by a friend. After I nervously answered fairly basic questions such as believing in healthcare and collective labor, they weren't convinced. Ever since that day, I felt like I couldn't be a leftist, especially since I lost any confidence in my ability to be "better" according to that person's standards. If I couldn't satisfy their standards that one time, what would be the point of trying to read theory and trying again? Yes I admit, I haven't tried to read theory. I have no confidence that I would do it correctly.

So, I was already completely lacking in confidence in actually being a good enough leftist. But after that incident where I was bullied and picked on, even for a few minutes... Something in me gave up trying to keep up with the people on this website. It also made me fear and lose confidence in trying, for fear that I would encounter other "Secret Tests of Character" like that.

I feel as though in terms of personality, I am too quiet, too shy, and I have too little to say or contribute anyways, to feel at home here. It feels as though speaking the loudest and having lots to say is what matters the most here, and that is something I cannot do.

So, given that everyone insists "read theory", which I haven't been able to, does this mean I am not at the standards I seem to see here?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago

Just learn a handful of quotes and drop them here and there in discussions, no one will notice that you haven't read theory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

comrade @[email protected] dropped an excellent list https://lemmy.ml/post/22417306

ask any questions you have the moment you have them. and if somethings too hard or something else catches your eye its ok to deviate. It is a very good recommendation but not a prescription.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No, you won't be bullied as long as you act in good faith. It's a good sign that you want to grow and learn and are willing to ask questions.

In my book, you're a leftist if you want the end of capitalism. The rest of theory is just for learning the how and the why.

For something that's easier to read, I'd suggest Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

Cannot recommend a book more. Dead simple. Huge impact. Best bang for buck read imo, especially if you still have lingering apprehension about AES states.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

'having lots to say is what matters the most here, and that is something I cannot do.'

  • something you cannot do... YET.

my first year or two of leftism was hanging out in online forums and reading 'easy' theory by Chomsky and other similar palatable modern theorists, who aren't exactly Marxist with a capital M, but have valid critiques of capitalism. Naomi Klein, David Graeber, even Michael Moore.

I'd recommend 'How The World Works' by Chomsky. The title makes it clear what it's about. It's my go to recommendation to anyone who's curious. The whole book is taken directly from his radio appearances and the like, so it's totally conversational and written for maximum digestibility. Each chapter is very short, sometimes even just a page or two iirc. He gets into the big debates, without throwing jargon around.

For me, it was illuminating, and made me pretty angry with the world and the lies I'd been told. This drove me to go further and further. I found what interests me most: imperialism. I've spent about 3 years reading about it, and will probably read about it until the day I die. I can't get enough of it. I've even written plays about it. I could talk about it for days on end. And yet three years ago, I probably couldn't have even put Congo or Venezuela on a map.

All this is to say that it'll all come to you. And that I think a knowledge of imperialism is the key to unlocking Marxism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

yes. even if you are a leftist, if you deviate even a little from what the clique of weirdo mods and super online "friends" (cops) agree on you will be deleted and or banned eventually.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Being gatekept on being a leftist is extremely leftist, the more times you've been purity tested the more leftist you are. Doesn't matter if you actually pass those purity tests, mind you, but it means you've stuck around long enough to not have given up and succumb to becoming a lib or fash.

As for theory, you can start with listening to Dolly Parton's seminal "9 to 5" as a primer on communism

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

Old country is excellent theory

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly I think Capital is best absorbed as an audiobook. Throw it on while you're doing something else, because it is so God damn boring until you get to the later spicy bits.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I completely disagree. I tried the audiobook route, felt overwhelmed and like I retained nothing. Purchased a physical copy, did like 50 pages a week, and took notes. The text feels like it needs it too. Couldn't imagine making it through with how good my brain is at drowning out background speech.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Different strokes for different folks. I don't think I would have been able to make it through by reading it alone. Next time I decide to tackle it I'll probably listen to the audio book and resort to a book if there's any sections that I feel need a deeper analysis.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

It depends on how willing you are to grow as a leftist. Consider purity tests a way to sharpen not only your beliefs, but the beliefs of the person testing you.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Also there isn't like an exam for leftism. Being an educated leftist is always better but if you say you're a comrade, you are to me until proven otherwise and that's done through actions

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You're saying I bought a whole stack of scantrons for nothing?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

I'm sure you can standardized test something with em

[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is the least serious leftist space. You will be just fine here. If you make a bad take, you may get called out on it. But the correct response is to just investigate what they are saying and adjust your views accordingly. That's all it takes to be a "good" leftist; the only "bad" leftist is someone who refuses to do that navel-gazing, refuses to critically examine their own views.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

Thank you, user with a pig shitting on its balls as their profile picture, very cool!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago

People will argue with you if you say something they disagree with but the only bullying I've seen is towards people who are being bigots or advocating for things that objectively suck

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago

Well don't be afraid to ask questions if you got them and if anyone chooses to behave like a little shit, report them to get swatted on the nose with a newspaper roll.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 hours ago (13 children)

No one reads theory, they just tell people to read theory. One day someone will actually read theory and tell us what the hell we're all doing here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

All I know is the true value of linen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's an excellent cooling material; even other organics can't compare

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

The value of linen is equal to the amount of labor involved in the production and transportation of it. No more, no less.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Everybody thinks they're the vanguard, nobody thinks they're the proletariat. We need a whole hell of a lot more of one than the other.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The whole class has been ignoring the homework? It was all in the syllabus, and I kept reminding you to do the reading!

You all know the final isn't being graded on a curve, right? It's covering all of the material from the whole year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

As an admin you're expected to be part of the vanguard party that cleanses us of our false consciousness.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I want to second what propter_hog said, being a leftist is a process. There is always more to learn about the world and the forces that drive it. Keep learning, and develop some healthy skepticism and media literacy with regard to capitalist depictions of socialist countries, and you're on track.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

process

Almost like a dialectic curious-marx

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

You are now to explain to us orbital hybridisation in 45 minutes, or you are not up to our standards. /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

A work like Capital may be a little much to start with and the style is a little old fashioned, but I think you're underestimating yourself. Reading any sort of non-fiction just means taking it at the pace you are comfortable with. Sometimes you have to look up a word or a phrase, sometimes you have to sleep on something and come back to it with fresh eyes -- that's fine! Understanding isn't something you get immediately -- it comes over time. If you're still intimidated, maybe try starting with something outside of direct theory. Pick a topic that you're interested in, and find a book on it. Reading is like any habit, it gets better with practice!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

what do you mean by you haven’t been able to read theory? like is something making it difficult for you or are you not sure where to start, or is it something else? someone here might be able to help you out

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

It is mostly due to depression and having very little confidence in what people often call "Critical Thinking Skills" And I know that, when I read something, I am literal minded due to autism, so I often make incorrect conclusions, unless I am told outright what the intended message was.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Check out c/neurodiverse if you haven't already

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Oh, I definitely understand depression making it difficult. I used to have a lot of trouble keeping motivated for reading even for things I really enjoyed. What changed it for me was when I started having a long bus ride to and from work, which was an ideal time for me to read and kept me consistent. Maybe audiobooks would help?

As for drawing incorrect conclusions, I think as you learn more about history and political theory, it becomes easier to have confidence in your own understanding. There's no shame in needing help either! I saw some people already suggest companion pieces, which can make the more difficult theory easier to understand. There's also communities here and on Lemmygrad (like [email protected] or [email protected]) where you can ask questions about things that confuse you, people are often happy to answer questions for those looking to learn. Something I think that could help too is reading a book written more recently as well, since they tend to use language that is easier for us to understand. A lot of the foundational Marxist works are very old, and personally I'm not sure about any good modern substitutes for them, but I'm sure there's stuff out there. Maybe someone else can chime in with suggestions.

Sorry if this response is overwhelming, I have a hard time judging that kind of thing and this is just something I get a little overzealous about.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

A lot of leftist theory is academic is tone. Quite suitable for a reader that prefers literal and technical writing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Fuck those people for making you feel that way. I felt a similar way when presented with "theory" as a whole. Some (most) of it needs to be read multiple times and possibly with a companion guide of some sort to understand imo. Anybody who pretends to understand complex archaic language without historical context without re-reading lines multiple times is either a genius or fooling themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Fr. Capital and Lenin's works are probably two of the harder reads both for different reasons. Capital is long, weirdly worded, and boring enough that you worry you're gonna miss the insights that make it worth reading. Lenin is the opposite. Very interesting, much easier to understand language, but so fast paced that my brain periodically needed to stop and go back to reread some stuff I missed. Didn't help that I knew very little about Soviet history then.

Don't let anyone make you feel bad for struggling. It's not an easy read, requires some discipline, and most people just educate themselves on shitposts anyway. Especially don't let that discourage you from reading. It really is beneficial imo, you won't regret doing it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

Me reading the first chunk of State and Revolution, not knowing who any of the people Lenin was criticizing are:

Pop Team Epic panel of Popuko saying, "Aah, so it's like that, huh. I understand everything now." An arrow is pointing to her and says "Doesn't get it at all"

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