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I'll start.

My then gf and I had a chihuahua that just happened to be the most tiny and most diva and most clever little dog I've ever met. Tiny, incredibly cute, extreme ego and confidence, a terrible piercing bark and had some wild mood swings on top. He'd go from cuddly to nuclear warfare in a second of something displeased him. He was the eldest and the leader of his little pack and he kept all of them wrapped right around his paw running a little dogmatic terror state. But he took his responsibilities seriously and was always up in front if there was a threat to them. Be it an angry German shepherd or a double parked electric scooter. Nobody messed with his pack - except for him, obviously.

Our little beast was very well aware of his cuteness, and his craving for adoration knew no end. He'd be walking down the street next to me, obviously refusing to yield for anyone, and as we pass some cafΓ© tables, he'd throw himself flat on the ground, legs pointing in all directions. We called it that he did a doormat. The intent was to throw us under the bus as his keepers so that he'd maximize the aahs and oohs and attention went compliments from the people sitting in the cafΓ©.

But this is just the backstory. He was vain, and we knew he was clever, but also of this is still learned behaviour with a previously verified outcome.

No, what really set it apart was that one time we were at home, the entire couch occupied by humans, dogs, and generally not him in particular. He was strutting around, being grumpy that others had taken his rightful seat, and nobody would disappear into nothingness for his approval. Not an uncommon thing, but he has plenty of other comfy spaces to be, communal and his very own. We know if we lift him up now, he'll try force some other dog down just because he wants space for himself, and we weren't having it. The other dogs were there first today and it's their right as much, so tough luck bud.

After some time, I notice him staring into the lights off bedroom. He looks at me, turns back to the bedroom and just keeps staring at it. I tell my gf that he is staring into the void and it seems to be staring back at him. We watch him as he keeps staring at nothing.

By now he is an old dog and has already shown signs of deterioration. I ask him what's up and he shows some signs of anxiety, tail down, tapping feet, mild whimper. I call for him, there's nothing there, come to daddy. No response. We figure he's lost it now, the creeping senility we've suspected is real.

So I keep talking to him, calming him, approach to turn on the lights and show him around that there is nothing there. He stands eagerly waiting, full focus on me as I come closer. Then - tail high, he runs as fast his tiny legs can carry his body, to the seat where I was sitting, barking at my gf to be picked up into the couch.

And it dawns on me. It was all a ruse! He came up with the clever plan to lure me away from his desired spot. If he acts anxious I'll get worried and get up, freeing up a vacancy on the couch, and then it's a fair race who gets it first. His smug posture standing in my seat was what gave it away. He was not anxious at all, he was not afraid, that I'm not anthropomorphizing but that he knew exactly what he was doing.

A multi step sequential plan with a clear goal in mind that he came up with from no be prior training. If that is not intelligence, I don't know what is.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I trained my previous German Shepherd to understand a conditional question. It took a few years to teach, but I would ask "What do you want? Do you want [option]?" Could be go out, food, water, treat, play, love, walk, ride.

After enough conditioning, I could ask him "What do you want?" and he would literally tell me. I'd ask him and sometimes it was clear he was just bored, and would literally start to slow wag his tail and try out options. Like he'd go up to his treats and I'd say "No, you don't need any more of those.." and he'd get this little tail wag and then go try a toy or something. Was really handy if he ran out of water or something. I'd ask "What do you want?" and he'd lead me to his empty water bowl.

Incidentally thru different keyword use for toys, he learned to differentiate the names his favorite toys. Like his basketballs were always one of his favorites, and he comprehended that his ball had a specific name, but still fell into the category of "toy." So if you said "Go get a toy" he might bring his basketball, but if you said "Go get your ball" he would only grab his basketball.

He sadly died a couple years ago. He imprinted a bit on one of my current dogs (also a GSD), and I've been trying to expand on toy names with this guy. The names he's got down well so far are blue ball, basketball, jack, long jack, cactus, pineapple, donut, and the ring. Maybe a couple other toys I can't think of that he's learned. (we spoil our dogs with too many toys..) But I can tell him "Go get the cactus!" and he'll tear off and search until he finds the specific toy.

It's very enriching for him and really shows off the intelligence of dogs that people take for granted (intelligence definitely varies on breed tho..).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's incredible. That's smarter than some small children lol. Some dogs are so smart.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average German Shepherds have cognitive abilities similar to a human child around the age of 3. Exceptional German Shepherd intelligence definitely exceeds that imo.

I grew up in a large family with many children and my educational background is in psychology, and I am convinced that some of my dogs have been as smart as the average 4 or 5 year old, at least..

Part of that, just like in raising children, is about imprinting and instilling inquisitiveness. Creating complicated play activities like hide and seek, hiding toys/wrapping them in a blanket, scent training, etc. I train my GSDs to observe animals rather than go after them, and they will sit on the porch outside and just watch animals like I would.

You can shape dogs to be smarter and incredibly affectionate/empathetic; it's not entirely genetics in my opinion. For the greatest impact it's best to start young, but I've been able to facilitate more inquisitiveness in rescues/fosters before too.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I've done this with my dogs (newfie mixes). It's very convenient.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Damn that's impressive. I had a poodle as a kid that had a vocab ... but not that big! She knew 2 or 3 toys and family members and a couple basic things like outside or food. If she heard the word cat in casual conversation she would go looking and barking at the back sliding glass door.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Alternative headline: OP outsmarted by elderly chihuahua in his own home.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This person speaks the truth.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It is known

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Chihuahua 1 House ape 0

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We have a Boxer and a Wheaten, two weeks in age apart. If Will (Wheaten) is getting scratches, Seymour (Boxer) will go get a toy,any toy will work, and "play" with it in front of Will. Will has to be the "one" with the toy, so Will jumps down to take the toy away, and Seymour let's him and takes the scratches.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You just had to name him that, didn't you?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Seymour Buts or

Will FD (Full Disobedience)Wheaten?

Yes!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Delightfully devilish Seymour

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We had a dog who was brilliant in almost every area. For example, he liked to watch television. Late at night he would go downstairs and turn on the TV. We only discovered it by accident, because he would also turn if off if he heard us coming. One night I walked in on him with his nose on the off button and the picture (on our old-style TV) still fading.

Once he knew that we knew, he stopped trying to hide it. He would turn it on and off when he wanted. Then he figured out, I assume from watching us, how to use the remote. Finally, he learned how to change channels using the remote. His favorite show turned out to be "The Pet Department" on Animal Planet. I kid you not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our Golden will actively watch Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Dragon Prince. Full on watch the TV. (And nature documentaries).

Most other shows he doesn't really care one way or the other for.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is very hard to believe.. How would he use the remote? The keys are small for a dog.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That was the problem he had when he first tried the remove. After some experimentation, he discovered that his center toenail hit individual buttons without activating any other.

I would never have believed it if I hadn't watched him doing it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's fascinating. What breed?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I literally found him on the street, so I don't know anything about his parents. And this was before canine DNA tests were a thing.

He had fur like a plush golden retriever, but if you ignored that, he mostly looked like a wolf. Our vet's best guess was a shepherd mix with some husky and a lot of other bits and pieces.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

I was walking behind two dogs and their owner. I was walking faster than them and one of the dogs looked at me and proceeded to persistently move the other dog to the side so that I could pass. It was absolutely clear it knew what it was doing :)

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

I learned in a video that cats can read our facial expressions just fine, we're just crap at reading theirs because their facial muscles don't allow for the same movement as humans (and dogs to some extent). They'll become more anxious if we show a fear expression around them in a new environment, or become more relaxed and cuddly if we smile at them in a new place. They look to us for reassurance as much as dogs do.

Once I learned that they do a lot of their communicating with their tail, I started paying attention to my two cat's tail movements and now I can't unsee it. It's as obvious as a waving hand, and they'll talk to one another this way as well as with us.

For example, they lift their tail as a greeting. If I say their name as they enter a room, I might think they'd completely blanked me if I didn't see their tail lift 'hello' every single time. Once my older cat, Bartine, didn't bother to tail lift, and I said "Oi! Barty! Rude?!". She then gave me a quick, half-hearted lift, like she couldn't be bothered with more than half wave, lol

Their tails quiver with excitement if there's a very interesting treat up for grabs, or my favourite is a coquettish swirl which is 100% "I love you" because it's always followed up with an approach to snuggle or headbutt. They also understand me when I say I love you, but particularly now because I see the swirl tail and say "I love you, too!" followed by indulgent pets.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Smart things my "stupid" dog does:

  1. I have a box with gamepads, remotes and headphones next to the coch. My dog knows thats off-limits to him. If he wants attention and I ignore him long enough, he will then start to paw at the box. Sort of to say "Look at me...look what I'm doing...I'm touching the box...can't ignore me now..."

  2. Anytime he does something super cute, the microsecond when I point my phone camera at him, he will turn away. Not if I suddenly reach for my phone, not if I'm just scrolling, but literally as soon as I want to tap the shutter button. It's become quite a challenge to try and sneakily take pictures of him.

  3. Both my wife and me work from home 9-5. He will pretty much sleep during that time and not be much of a bother. Around 6 we have Dinner, and then take him for a walk for him to do his business. After that we relax in front of the TV. He pretty much knows we'll watch about two episodes of some show, then step outside for a smoke. So as soon as the second episode stops, he's already on top of us, begging for attention.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I have a Care Bear my husband gave me for Christmas one year, and the dogs aren't allowed to play with it. Sometimes when I'm reading in bed, our older dog will decide she wants attention, and she will grab that specific bear, all while making eye contact, because she knows I'll chase her for it

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

My dog wasn't allowed in my brother's room, but he loved my brother. One time, after he was kicked out, he tried slowly walking in backwards. I guess he thought we couldn't tell what he was doing if he did it backwards.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Reminds me of the time my old roommate was outsmarted by his cat.

He was sitting on the piano bench after some practice and I and another friend were sitting on the couch. We were all having a light conversation in the evening but his cat had all his comfy spots taken. He jumped up on the kitchen counter in protest--a spot he's not meant to be--and my roommate went over to shoo him down. After he sat back down on the piano bench, I saw a lightbulb go off in the little cat's brain. He hopped up on the counter again to test his hypothesis, and sure enough, my roommate went over to shoo him down. After the third time jumping up on the counter, the cat rushed over to the piano bench and immediately laid down. My roommate, being the sweet man he was, sat back down next to him on the little corner of the bench as to not disturb him :)

It was one of the most genius things I've ever seen an animal do.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

One time my dog wanted to sit in the ottoman, but my other two dogs were already sharing it so no room. He went to the back door and barked once and the other two joined him to see what was going on. As they jumped down, he jumped up on the ottoman and let them "protect" the house.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

My African grey Bert constantly surprises me with his intelligence. My personal favorite was the time he was trying to get the cat's attention. He'd been muttering, whistling, and dancing in the cat's direction for about 15 minutes and finally yelled "Why don't you f-ing talk?" I don't think he believed me when I told him the cat can't talk.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a little drawer which has a slight gap at the top instead of a handle to open it.

I put a toy my cat likes in it, and he reached inside the drawer and grabbed the toy without even looking inside it.

Bonus: a cat at a base I served at really wanted to get into the war room one night (while I was currently on duty in it), and she managed to lean on the handle and open the door enough to enter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That cat is an enemy agent, trying to survey the operations room.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Our Golden taught himself medical alerts. My wife broke her ankle when he was 6 months old, and the little glue puppy who followed me when I gave her meds started to let her know ahead of time that she would need meds, and even proactively bring her pill bottles.

Some refinement let him proactively stop mom from overdoing it, so he's been instrumental in her recovery and PT.

Then like six months ago he started giving me pain alerts from no where when I was feeling ok. But invariably, every time he did, 30-60 minutes later I would get a headache. So now I just listen to him and my bad headaches have dropped to almost zero, because I'll take some coffee and NSAIDs when he alerts.

He also broadly gets the concept of "pills make people feel better in a little bit". He'll stop alerting for about 20 minutes if you take pills (or pantomime taking pills because you're busy or something). Then if you faked him out he'll alert again in 20-30 minutes lol.

He's one of the smartest dogs I've ever met in the "cause and effect generalizes to X" sort of way. (He also is super confident and pretty sure that the world is made of sunshine, rainbows, and friends so is conversely really dumb in risk assessment, like will fall off the bed because he's sure he'll be caught kind of way)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

My old pup Packie was never what you would call a smart dog. He did impress me though with one learned behavior. I had started him out in a crate as a puppy, and would entice him in for the evening with a milkbone. Once the crate went away, we continued the tradition with a regular dog bed where I'd have him lay down and wait for his treat.

Fast forward a few months after I got him and had lost my job. I had to move back in with my parents while I looked for a new one. My dad and I were both night owls, him even moreso than me, so most nights ended with me saying to my dad, "Alright, I'm going to bed. Love you." Packie heard that enough times that as soon as I said it, he would perk up from wherever he was in the house and rush down to his dog bed to wait patiently. I could brush my teeth, shower, whatever. He would wait 30+ minutes for me to appear with his milkbone. When we moved back out, I could reliably tell him, "go to bed" and he would move through multiple rooms to find his bed and wait for me.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I was impressed when my shepherd-mix carried a trashcan with chicken leftovers to me, because he couldn’t open it but I could. He didn’t get his wish though.

[–] Crozekiel 15 points 1 year ago

My German shepherd mic is a high energy hell raiser that you'd think is dumb as a biscuit, but has proved me wrong several times, especially as an escape artist. There was one that shocked me more than any other.

My neighborhood had been having a rash of break-in during covid lock down. Neighborhood teens mostly being bored it seemed. One day while I was at work, they tried to get in the back door, and in true guard dog fashion she went ballistic at the door, barking growling and gnawing the door handle to the point of leaving bite marks.

Invader successfully ran off, now she's just so fucking excited she has to pee. I'm at work for another 3 hours and she can't get outside. What does this doofus do? Breaks into the bathroom (that she has watched me pee in repeatedly) and jump up on the tiny guest bathroom vanity and pees in the sink. I fully believe that if I left toilet lids open she'd have peed in the toilet that day.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just the other day my dog lost track of his frisbee in the water. It barely floats so it must be hard for him to see. He swam around in circles for a while looking for it. My wife started cheering when he would swim towards it, then go "oh! no. no. no" when he was swimming away from it. He essentially worked out hotter/colder on the spot in order to find his frisbee.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I've had several ferrets, and intelligence definitely varies in them, but it's impressive what their little raisin brains can manage. watching them figure out a puzzle was the most fun.

but it wasn't always fun. I had a ferret with some serious attitude, and he and my sister didn't get along. one day, she shoved him aside with her foot and called him a little shithead. later that day, we found her phone, in it's nice leather case, in his litterbox. he knew exactly how to get even.

same little guy would push open the bathroom door if he could, see I was 'occupied', and then get up to whatever bad idea was the current favorite. it took me a bit to catch on, but I got it after the cute little weasel poked in, then went and dragged a family size bag of m&ms under my roommate's dresser, leaving a trail from my room to hers. little pest knew he had plenty of time before I could catch him at it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

We have a cat that came from the breeder knowing how to play fetch. But more than that, he's also very energetic and we don't always have the time to play with him. One day I was particularly lazy, and instead of throwing stuff around the house I was just tossing the ball to him high in the air. Not only did he get that we were now playing "catch", but later on I found him gripping the ball in his mouth and "flicking" it up in the air. Now, when he knows we can't play with him, he essentially plays catch with himself.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Had a friend stay with us a few days. She had a hairless puppy with her. Less than a year old. It was also coldest part of the year. Not a good time to be hairless.

Dogs of course have to go outside to take care of business and being a pup, he onr day decided to take off exploring at top speed.

My cat at the time chased after him and herded him back towards us sheepdog style.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I had a wiener dog that absolutely SLAYED moles like it was his job. Seriously, I bet he killed more than a hundred over a few years. I guess it kind of was his job, wieners are bred to hunt burrowing animals like that. Dachshund is German for "badger hound".

Anyway, he got a little older, fatter, and lazier, and we also moved to an area with tougher soil, so his mole slaying days were over (we thought). But then we got a young German Shepherd, and he figured out that he could find the mole (his downward pointing ears made him good at that), start digging the hole, and then stand back and let her take over. Then after she did all the hard work of grabbing and killing the thing, he would steal it from her and come present it to us very proudly.

He wasn't a terribly bright dog, so I was really impressed when he started doing that. The German Shepherd was way smarter than him by any measure, but I think she didn't care that he was taking credit for her kills. She was just having fun helping him. Both excellent dogs, I miss them a lot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a cat who would scratch the rug when no one's looking so there's that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I had one that would only piss in the corner when nobody was watching.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I've had dogs all my life and have chosen zero of them for their intelligence. My best-ever dog (greyhound) was a beautiful dullard by dog-intelligence standards. My current companion is a box-'o-rocks pibble whose unbounded goofiness and joy makes passers-by smile.

But I once adopted a young doberman from a shelter who kept me on my toes. So did so many crazy-smart things that it's hard to think of one. She'd unwind her lead off of obstacles, learn things I didn't necessarily want her to learn, etc. She was a real challenge, like having a toddler around.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some friends have a pet crow who learned on his own to stand at the exterior of the window above the front door and shit on scammers and CPS agents while screaming gardyloo.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read this as "chow" first, and thought what a clever dog to aim that well.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Not genius tier but my Dolly loves to look out of the window when in the car (she’s fastened to an isofix safety belt on the back seat). Once we get over about 30mph whoever’s driving will close her window as it gets really noisy. Occasionally we will forget to open her window when we come to a 30 zone again so she has learned to open her window by herself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I watched my Pekingese figure out a problem and use tools.

He wanted on the table where we were setting up for Thanksgiving. The table was stock full of delicious smells. Pekes are shaped like fat egg rolls with flipper feet. There was no way he could jump that high. But ohhhh... He wanted on that table. He just sat there, like a chubby kid staring at an unguarded cake three balconies above him.

After driving himself mental, pacing in place, whining, he sat down and started looking around, thinking about his plight. He saw a spare dining room chair we brought out to accommodate guests. He passed the usual heavy oak chairs to this cheap, IKEA spare chair. He scooted it with his face towards the table. He'd stop every so often, to see how close it was. He was gaging the distance.

Then, at the proper distance, he hopped on the chair and onto the the table before I grabbed him. It wasn't so much "NO PUPPEH MAH PAHT PIAH!" but I knew he'd grab a slice of meat too big for him and choke on it trying to swallow it before I got it from him.

Later, I gave him his own plate with dog-appropriate and safe food on it.

But my Peke was now another tool-user in my house.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

My pig is a trip. Smartest animal I've ever been around.

He had never seen the front-porch gate removed nor had I ever seen him test it. He knew it was a block he couldn't resolve.

Removed the hose clamps that hold it to the pintles. Pig walked up took a look, stuck his nose under it, lifted the gate and cruised right out, just like he'd done it 100 times.

I feel like I would have to point out how the clamps work to a non-mechanically inclined human. Homeboy didn't study it at length. He noticed what was different and instantly understood the implication.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

My parents dog. There were two of them. The older was almost blind at this point, but the young one was smart. She was taking care of the old dog most of the time (like barking so he knew to come back in the night for example). Once the old dog had a bone to chew. She barked at the horizon as if a cat was there, so the old dog run to it barking. She immediately stop barking and take the bone for her.

Now she's older and the old one is no more. She manipulates my parents now. To get carried instead of walking for example.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used to have a dog that would knock my stepdad's vodka off the counter, chew through the bottle (it was plastic), and lap the vodka off the floor.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Thinking about the hundreds of dollars I’ve spent trying to keep my dog out of the hostas and from getting under the deck

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