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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

Hamas released some tunnel pictures. Notable because this is the first I've seen with vehicles underground.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (10 children)

the Maine mass shooting guy is dead btw, didn't see any posts about this, not sure if it's new

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Western protesters: We don't support Hamas

🟢 Hamas: — In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

We applaud the masses that demonstrated in American cities and Western capitals in solidarity with Gaza and in rejection of the fascist occupation’s aggression.

We, in the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), commend the mass mobilization, marches, and solidarity events that took place yesterday, Saturday, and today, Sunday, in various American cities and Western capitals, denouncing the aggression and genocide waged by the fascist occupation government against the Gaza Strip, now on its twenty-third day. We affirm that these large gatherings express their living conscience in supporting the legitimate rights of our people to freedom and self-determination and denouncing the American and Western support and bias for the occupation.

We renew our call to these free masses and all the free people in the world to continue their movement in solidarity with the Gaza Strip and in support of the justice of our national cause. We urge the escalation of all forms of popular pressure in the coming days to stop the genocide against children and two million Palestinian citizens in the Gaza Strip.

Islamic Resistance Movement - Hamas.

Sunday: 14 Rabi’ al-Akhir 1445 AH Corresponding to: October 29, 2023 AD

From https://t.me/PalestineResist

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

‘Threat is not Hamas but Gazans, and Arabs of Judea and Samaria’

A leading Israeli security expert has told the country’s Maariv newspaper the “threat is not Hamas but the Gazans and the Arabs of Judea and Samaria”.

“As long as the state of Israel does not understand what the threat is – it will not be able to win,” Eliyahu Yossian, research fellow at Meshgav Institute for National Security and winner of the Israel Defense Prize, told the newspaper in an example of the discourse among Israel’s far right as the Gaza assault continues.

“If we don’t treat Gaza as an enemy, we will never get out of the rounds and each time it is going to get worse to the point that we reached the acute situation of [October 7] morning. The state of Israel needs to understand and accept that there are no innocents in Gaza.”

western media are literally the only ones saying that this has anything to do with hamas or 'self defense' or whatever. every Israeli is straight up just saying "nah we want to kill everyone there actually"

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet. Senior Tory MP Crispin Blunt was arrested on suspicion of rape and possession of drugs yesterday. He was also suspended from the Tory party. Says he's innocent of course.

Now I'm not usually one to come out in defense some Br*tish sex pest, especially a fucking Tory MP, but this guy literally said that the United Kingdom was complicit in Israeli war crimes LAST WEEK. He also claims he was extorted in connection to this three weeks ago. Now considering the noncery the average Tory MP gets away with daily on that godforsaken island, the timing, and how he was immediately arrested and expelled from the party based on an unknown accusation, before charges are even filed... what?? that happens to powerful people over there?

Like I'm freaking the fuck out at this? holy shit they just totally suppressed this guy right? jesus there's probably some fucking Epstein/Maxwell connection involved here too with Israeli and British intelligence services or some shit, idk my brain is melting and I'm going fucking insane with this rn! epsteingelion trueanon

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (15 children)

BBC journalists 'crying in toilets' over Israel-Gaza output

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23881014.bbc-journalists-crying-toilets-israel-gaza-output/

BBC journalists have allegedly been “crying at work” over the corporation’s “dehumanising” coverage of Palestinians.

Concerns were raised during meeting this week that the BBC had been too lenient on Israel, with staff left crying in toilets and taking time off work over the approach to the conflict.

An email setting out fears that the BBC was “treating Israeli lives as more worthy than Palestinian lives” was sent to Tim Davie, the director-general.

“What Hamas did was atrocious and nobody is excusing its actions, but the mood from a lot of people in the building is that we aren't getting the coverage right,” a source told The Times.

“Staff have been crying in the toilets and freelancers have been sacrificing earnings by not showing up to work because of the distress caused.”

In another email to Davie, Beirut-based correspondent Rami Ruhayem said that he had “the gravest possible concerns” about the output.

“Words like ‘massacre’, ‘slaughter’ and ‘atrocities’ are being used prominently in reference to actions by Hamas, but hardly, if at all, in reference to actions by Israel,” he said.

“Does this not raise the question of the possible complicity of the BBC in incitement, dehumanisation and war propaganda?”

He claimed the BBC was frequently going easy on Israeli officials and allowing them “comfortable airtime”.

“The BBC has taken upon itself in recent years the task of fighting fake news, disinformation, hate speech and such things, a trend in western media,” he said.

“Where is the content analysing the flood of incitement against Palestinians and tracking its impact?”

Journalist John Simpson earlier this week said the BBC has received an almost equal number of complaints about it being biased towards and against Israel.

“People rail at the BBC because they hope they can force it to come down on their side; and when that doesn’t happen — and it’s not going to — they get angrier still,” he wrote in the New Statesman.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Get ready for 3 months of probing attacks.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The IDF used helicopters on the border to provide support for the withdrawal of forces from inside the ambush. A very major event.

Very much sounds like shit went badly and close air support from helicopters was required just to get people the hell out of there.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Matthew Perry apparently bullied/beat up Justin Trudeau when they were kids, so everyone who laughed about his death here owes him an apology.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Israel 'arrests' and 'detains' people from Gaza and the West Bank - i sleep

Hamas 'takes hostages' - real shit, war crime, must be condemned, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People with Palestine Action shutting down weapon factories in the UK are braver than the troops.

Although they should really be burning them to the fucking ground

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Celtic fans defy club to fly Palestine flags inside stadium

rest of articleFans of Scotland’s Celtic Football Club have defied their club’s directives and waved thousands of Palestine flags during their team’s Champions League match against Atletico Madrid.

Hours before the match at Glasgow’s Celtic Park on Wednesday, the club issued a statement saying both sets of players and coaching staff would wear black armbands “as a show of respect and support for all those affected by the conflict” but told fans to refrain from displaying their support in the stands.

“We ask that banners, flags and symbols relating to the conflict and those countries involved in it are not displayed at Celtic Park at this time,” the club said in its statement.

Video of them singing "You'll never walk alone" in support of Palestine over on reddit-logo
Of course the comments are locked, but cool show of support tho imo.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Erdogan is so goddamn funny, in NATO while recognizing Hamas and invoking the damn crusades. Go off watermelon vendor

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago

UNCRITICAL SUPPORT TO ALL RESISTANCE PARTIES CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE HEROIC ANTI-ZIONIST, ANTI-COLONIAL AND ANTI-IMPERIALIST STRUGGLE.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

Just now - CNN anchor (Jim Acosta) to military guy: "What do you think? Is this a ground incursion or a preview of coming attractions?"

Fucking ghouls.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

US President Joe Biden called on Hamas to release hostages held in Gaza before entertaining the prospect of a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza Monday.

Pressed by a reporter if the White House backed a ceasefire in exchange for the hostages’ release, Biden said, “We should have a ceasefire,” before correcting himself and saying, “Not a ceasefire, we should have those hostages released, and then we can talk.”

we love our demented president

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Giving up your leverage before getting anything in return sounds like a good strategic move to me.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Say the line Bart!

"The mass shooter was known to authorities for months before he did the massacre." amerikkka-clap

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

The initial Israeli air strike on the bakery and neighbouring houses killed at least 10 people, Gaza’s media office said. It was the only bakery in the area and just received flour from the UN agency for Palestinian refugees.

scum of the fucking earth. I remember in '08 they destroyed the only operating flour mill in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

every gazan, every al jazeera reporter in gaza, unrwa, and every other person in orgs providing medical aid are braver than I will ever be

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

CBS evening news says Iran is "directly facilitating" attacks on US troops and it's all I can do to stop myself from cheering and dancing in this office sicko-pig

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This article is about how an Irish branch of an Israeli company fired an employee because she said called the Zionist entity a terrorist state: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/10/24/internal-wix-chat-encouraged-staff-to-support-israels-narrative-in-hamas-conflict/

One message in an internal company discussion, set up by a manager in the days after the Hamas attack in southern Israel, encouraged employees to “show Westernity” in social media posts backing Israel, as “unlike the Gazans, we look and live like Europeans or Americans”, it said.

"We look identical to Europeans but we're also indigenous to the Levant btw"

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (10 children)

New: Biden's approval rating hits the lowest point within his own party, dipping 11 points w/ Dems according to a new Gallup poll

Among RVs, he's now at 37 percent

https://nitter.net/HCTrudo/status/1717552904708476962#m

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (17 children)

A correspondent from the US government-backed Voice of America is reporting that a US intelligence assessment showed with “high confidence” that Israel is not responsible for bombing Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza.

The latest US findings contradict several other analyses, including from Al Jazeera investigators, showing that the weapon that hit the hospital and resulted in the deaths of at least 471 people came from the direction of Israel.

“We judge that the munition that caused the explosion was not an Israeli munition,” a US intelligence official was quoted as telling VOA journalist Jeff Seldin.

“The damage at the hospital is consistent w/what we would expect to see from a rocket,” Seldin said in a post on X.

-Al Jazeera

why are they still doing this?

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago

collective baptism in Gaza, just in case their children are killed they want to be sure that they are baptised.

If any comrades here have Bible-thumping family who bug them, hit them with this snippet of true faith

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I genuinely cannot imagine what it would be like to be the sole surviving member of my family.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We're back at the "Israel threatens to bomb a hospital full of people" point in the cycle

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

“The Coordination and Liaison Office was attacked on October 7 together with all the outposts along the division’s line. A large Hamas force seized the adjacent Erez Crossing, which was closed for the Simhat Torah holiday. From there, within minutes and with no resistance, they advanced into the military base, killing and kidnapping the soldiers of the Civil Administration, though a few of them managed to return fire before being hit… Brig. Gen. Rosenfeld entrenched himself in the division’s subterranean war room together with a handful of male and female soldiers, trying desperately to rescue and organize the sector under attack. Many of the soldiers, most of them not combat personnel, were killed or wounded outside. The division was compelled to request an aerial strike against the base itself in order to repulse the terrorists.”

This dry, complimentary description of the high commander, hiding with a few soldiers in an underground bunker and ordering an aerial bombardment of “the base” where his soldiers were fighting against Hamas militants, maybe wounded and maybe taken as prisoners, has a lot to say about the Israeli psyche in these bloody times.

On October 11, Quique Kierszenbaum reported in The Guardian about his tour of Kibbutz Be’eri, a tour organized by the Israeli Army’s propaganda unit. He writes:

“Building after building has been destroyed, whether in the Hamas assault or in the fighting that followed, nearby trees splintered and walls reduced to concrete rubble from where Israeli tanks blasted the Hamas militants where they were hiding. Floors collapsed on floors. Roof beams were tangled and exposed like rib cages.”

In another report in Haaretz in Hebrew (it does not appear to be available in English) on October 11, probably following the same army-guided PR tour, Nir Hasson and Eden Solomon interviewed “Erez, deputy commander of an armored reserve battalion.” He described how he and his tanks unit “fought inside the kibbutz, from house to house, with the tanks.” “We had no choice,” he concludes. Most recently, Nir Hasson returned to Be’eri and interviewed a local resident named Tuval, who was lucky to be away from the kibbutz at the time of the attack but whose partner was killed. In Hasson’s October 20 Haaretz article, he reports:

“His voice trembles when his partner, who was besieged in her home shelter at the time, comes to mind. According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

This quote is important for several reasons; one is because it adds to the understood timeline of events. This testimony would seem to indicate that many Israeli captives were still alive on Monday, October 9, a full two days after the events of Saturday, October 7. While it might be understandable if captives had been killed in the hectic crossfire of an initial Israeli response to the attack on the 7th, this account would seem to indicate that the decision to assault the kibbutz and everyone inside was made as a clear military calculation.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

thread (nitter alt) about how Hollywood propaganda has completely broken people's brains about US military capabilities

One of the worst moments in the history of military cinema was the final battle in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Considering that film was heavily supported by the Pentagon, recent events have put a sinister cast on what is facially just an over-the-top action scene. ... an American general in a high-tech command center sees the battle happening on a drone feed and barks out orders to commence the operation. This causes a US Navy armada (including one destroyer mounting a railgun) to magically appear off the Egyptian coast and launch an amphibious assault with LCACs 110 miles up the Nile Delta to Giza to put US Army tanks on the ground and firing on Megatron in what appears to be literally a couple of minutes of in-universe time.

Of course the good guys win, hooray, it's a fun action set-piece in a lowbrow blockbuster. But here's the thing. This entire sequence was vetted and approved by the Public Affairs Office, and the US military was heavily involved with the production - to the point some of the "special effects" in the battle were live tank gun rounds being fired into the set. And yet, apparently, none of the soldiers involved with this thought for a moment to pump the brakes and point out that all of this was ridiculous. How ridiculous? This is a franchise about transforming robots from outer space and somehow the most unrealistic moment in all five movies doesn't even involve them. That cinematic low point instead falls on a depiction of the United States military teleporting its entire joint force enterprise into battle over the course of a literal phone call. And nobody thought to point this out to Michael Bay, probably, because that was exactly the message the Pentagon wanted to send.

And now we have people on this website assuming that the United States can just handwave the kind of military forces out of thin air needed to deter and, if necessary, defeat Iran. Logistics, basing, access, transit times, force correlations, who cares - we've got this. And that is, unfortunately, exactly in line with the Pentagon's most public messaging about its own capabilities. This has seen the US government repeatedly embarrassed and the US public disappointed in recent years when it turns out that American aircraft take days, carriers take weeks and tanks take months to arrive at the crisis of the hour.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Former Israeli ambassador calls Palestinians "inhuman animals" on Sky News. Says he doesn't know why anyone cares and makes no distinction between Palestinian civilians and combatants.

https://streamable.com/6dkipi

These people scare the fuck out of me.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago

There have been more protests against the slaughter of Gaza in Israel, including blocking roads. This comes after the state has announced its preparing legislation to allow police and military to fire on protesters blocking roads with live rounds.

I've been appalled and concerned at the reaction to the protests here in the UK, with mainstream media regularly framing them as pro-Hamas, pro-terrorism, and antisemitic, politicians calling for total bans, people being assaulted by security staff for displaying Palestinian flags in football grounds, talk of charging protesters with supporting a terrorist organisation etc.

But that's nothing compared to being a tiny minority in fascist Israel, where the government and much of thr population already think you're traitors, and the government is openly planning to murder you for calling for peace. Those people are brave. Not as brave as the Palestinians who somehow face genocidal intentions and extreme violence every day, but still brave as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The US getting angry at the UN because people aren't saying enough mean stuff about Hamas while Israel cut off internet in Gaza and are bombing like crazy is some real shit.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Genocide joe really has crammed a huge amount of failure into his 4 year term, and he's not even done.

-complete failure on covid, zero change from trump

-embarrassing defeat by the Taliban on the way out. Obviously that was going to happen after any withdrawal, but hanging all American collaborators out to dry was also really something

-complete failure to both avert and win both the military and economic war with Russia. Nordstream sabotage was effective I suppose

-economic sanctions boomerang on the west and destroy a major ally's economy

-China continues its rise unabated. Turns out sanctioning everyone and everything undermines the effectiveness of sanctions

-Israel caught completely napping, brutal defeat straightaway. That fucking crusader state isn't going to last. Let's see how much more he can fuck it up over the next year

Just fucking incredible

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

alj english was just re-airing an interview with julius maada bio, the president of sierra leone. the most interesting moment for me was the interviewer grilling him about whether he was really "on the democratic team" (i.e. deserving of western debt relief) given that china has investments in sierra leone. his response:

British guy: Yes, but you have big investments with China. Don't you?

Maada: Yes! But, investments- - - one thing that we have not suffered from: China intervening in our democratic process. We need help from everybody, we need support - technical support - we need friendship, we need great partners, and we need partners that we- that respect us too

it's worth noting I guess that maada is a bourgeois developmentalist so that "democratic process" is really underpinned by police terror. but maybe it's telling that even in the middle of calling for debt relief the president of one of the poorest countries in the world can't help but scowl at the interviewer's RP english and take shots at the unsc

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (8 children)

They are going to show us footage of a tunnel found under a hospital and people are going to pretend it proves something, as if building a bomb shelter under a public building in an area that gets bombed regularly isn't the most obvious thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Russia and China veto US-drafted UNSC resolution backing Israeli offensive

Presstv

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Is this true? Can anyone from the UK verify? Because if so... you get what you deserve fuckin-deserve

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

look at this website. one of the subheaders is:

A hostage released by Hamas, Yocheved Lifshitz, said she went "through hell."

their video showing Lifshitz speaking only shows the one part where she says she was beat by sticks. another subheader under 'What we know' is

One of the freed Israeli women has spoken about the "hell" of her seizure by Hamas and described how she was treated in captivity after being led through tunnels that resembled a "spiderweb."

you're supposed to see "the hell of her seizure" and see "describe how she was treated in captivity" and think it was this horrific, scary thing where she was tortured. they of course never mention her saying she was treated very well and had regular medical care and even fucking hair conditioner.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I miss the Soviet Union, I 100% bet they would have made the US fuck off and flooded the PFLP with weapons

even just an embargo or something they would have done something unlike the rest of the ones now

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