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Office of judge presiding over Trump’s New York trial bombarded with threats (www.theguardian.com)

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The office of the New York judge overseeing Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial has been bombarded with death threats and antisemitic abuse following the former president’s online attacks.

Judge Arthur Engoron and his clerk, Allison Greenfield, are said to have received hundreds of threatening, harassing and disparaging messages via telephone and social media.

Attorneys for the New York state court system made the case for the imposition of gag orders on Trump, citing “serious and credible” threats against Engoron and Greenfield.

Transcribed voicemail messages, disclosed in court filings, revealed the extent of the abuse directed at the pair. Alongside racist and sexist attacks the messages contain several death threats. “I mean, honestly, you should be assassinated,” said one. “You should be killed. You should be not assassin executed [sic]. You should be executed.”

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[–] RaincoatsGeorge 95 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These people are not fucking bright. Some covered their tracks but you know some of these traitorous rejects called from their cellphones. I cannot wait for the FBI to start knocking at their doors and introducing them to the find out stage. It will be January 6th all over again.

I have to assume making death threats against a judge carries some hefty consequences. These people only learn by watching their reject friends get 10 years in prison each. Make America Great Again? More like make these traitorous dumbfucks know fear again.

[–] Efwis 37 points 1 year ago

They are making America great again, as long as they all get arrested.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Best part: For many of them, it'll mean they can never vote again. And it's a near -certainty that disenfranchising former felons is a policy they support.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

They'll vote anyway - and possibly face legal action for that - which will just be them perpetuating their suffering yet again

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's just wild to me the lengths these people will go for a guy that honestly looks like blonde Grimace.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'd say an albino grimace with a spray tan and a toupee.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He probably enticed/ paid them. This is also why Trump is being difficult with the judge and frustrating everyone in the legal process. In the end whatever judgment is given will be appealed so he can run in 2024 and forget all about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trump doesn’t pay anyone though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Nah he gets other people to pay it. Donors, tax payers you name it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

His lawyers are being paid. He's paying others' legal fees also. Maybe not out of his pockets and maybe for his own purposes, but they're getting paid.

Edit: For those who may need proof. The story points out how he's burning through cash because he's paying millions in legal fees. It also touches on that it's not just his legal fees he's paying.

The burn rate is very high. I'm not sure it's sustainable and only time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Maybe he should throw Trump in prison for contempt of court rather than let him get away with stochastic terrorism

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why does “the right” think it’s good to send death threats.

Does “the left” do death threats?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes, but it's not as widespread. Everyone is capable of things like that.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the left generally disavows people who threaten or commit acts of violence. For example, a few years back a Bernie Sanders supporter went to a Congressional baseball game and opened fire on Republicans. Bernie quickly disavowed this person and said that he didn't stand for violence at all.

The right, meanwhile, celebrates violence. Just look at how they've treated the January 6th insurrectionists. They regard them as heroes and patriots of the highest order for trying to kill members of Congress. Even Republicans who were present and feared for their lives that day have claimed that these people are "political prisoners" and "they did nothing wrong."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him, the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free.

Aldous Huxley

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Low intelligence and impulse control

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The majority of what would constitute the “far left” - those openly conducting or advocating political violence - were largely taken out by the FBI in COINTELPRO. Note that they also went after peaceful protestors and student groups, and to this day groups like ALF and ELF are considered terrorist groups.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Left doesn't need to.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US have the most intrusive oppression and surveillance apparatus in the world. You can't tell me they're not capable of finding those fuckwits and prosecuting them. If they don't do that it's because they don't want to. The funny thing is that the right wingers always screech about the deep state, but in reality the deep state is already irredeemably compromised by fascists.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's so exhausting to watch the system pretend not to understand the obvious when it's the likes of Trump brazenly acting out gangster tropes, but when it's a poor or minority person in even a legal gray area it's the taser for them and the same crowd falling over itself to defend Trump will cheer to see it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're trying to make this case airtight in appeal. Judge Vaughn Walker took the same route when he struck down California's same-sex marriage ban.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hear that a lot, and I get that there's a reason for how it is, but I still don't understand why that means court officials must be made to endure more crimes without reaction or accountability or consequence in order for it to happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying it's wise, or will work, just that that is the reason for the court's stoicism.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bet Trumpers is just giddy hearing this confirmed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Or he's frustrated that no one has acted on the threats yet. Just like he was frustrated Jan 6 was stopped by one bullet.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

The FBI should immediately get statements from John Miller, John Barron, Carolin Gallego, and David Dennison.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

because all Trump supporters are cowards just like Trump

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The office of the New York judge overseeing Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial has been bombarded with death threats and antisemitic abuse following the former president’s online attacks.

Judge Arthur Engoron and his clerk, Allison Greenfield, are said to have received hundreds of threatening, harassing and disparaging messages via telephone and social media.

Attorneys for the New York state court system made the case for the imposition of gag orders on Trump, citing “serious and credible” threats against Engoron and Greenfield.

Last month Trump posted an image of Greenfield on his social network and described her as the “girlfriend” of Chuck Schumer, the Democratic Senate majority leader.

“Ms Greenfield also informed me that since the interim stay was issued lifting the gag orders on November 16, 2023, approximately half of the harassing and disparaging messages have been antisemitic.”

The fraud case brought by New York attorney general, Letitia James, accuses the Trump Organization of falsely inflating the value of its properties in order to obtain favorable loans.

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