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Harris rejects DeSantis’ offer to debate Florida’s new Black history standards (www.politico.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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“We will not stop calling out and fighting back against extremist, so-called leaders who try to prevent our children from learning our true and full history,” the vice president said in Florida.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“They attempt to legitimize these unnecessary debates with a proposal that most recently came in of a politically motivated roundtable,” Harris said in her afternoon speech at the 20th Women’s Missionary Society of the African Methodist Episcopal Church Quadrennial Convention in Orlando. “Well, I’m here in Florida, and I will tell you there is no roundtable, no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate an undeniable fact. There were no redeeming qualities of slavery.”

Makes sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Honestly debating these people is completely pointless and should be seen as such. They're not going to argue in good faith and they will just continue to create statements that are inarguable due to confounded bullshit. Word salad after preposterous nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we step back for a second and just soak up the fact that it's 2023 and some presidential candidates still want to debate the benefits of owning humans?

I know MLK Jr said

The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice

But man, that arc seems so long that a flat earther would deny there's a curve at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A white racist piece of shit wants to debate the vice president who is a black woman. I sure thought we had made progress over the last 50 years, but of course we haven't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's depressing as shit. I'm with you on previously thinking that we were making progress.

I detest that this is still happening, and I loathe the people who are still doing it. It might be judgemental, but at least I judge people based on their actions against others instead of what they look like.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

She kinda has a point... debating him just legitimizes his views.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Never give a fascist a platform.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

There's only one platform fascist deserve. A platform that's gonna drop out from under them, good thing they have a rope or they'd fall to the ground.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The only correct response, you don't bargain with terrorists. Her turning up and debating it legitimises it like it's an actual educational option and not lies.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Good. There no “debating” with these fascists. They are only looking to bang the table to legitimize their fucked up fantasies.

This is the same reason we don’t “debate” benefits and harms of genocide. DeSpicable.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And now the clowns will say: “See! They’re scared!” And jerk each other off while watching Trump’s 2016 inaugural speech.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.

Any turn of events somehow bolsters their claim, because their worldview is unfalsifiable nonsense. It is not even wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Would there be a way, though, to actually debate the bad faith holders and win? By exposing their bad faith point for point and making them look so bad in public that they automatically lose?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Nope. The mere fact that they are intentionally arguing in bad faith is proof of that. Their entire reason for making the offer to "discuss" is to trap you in one of their "gotcha" moments, so they can use it to prove their claim. They will never acknowledge their mistakes and will simply talk in circles. Typical grifter/troll approach to politics.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's the dream.

In practice, very no.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I like the anlaogy that debating with a MAGoo is like playing chess with a pigeon. All they'll do is shit all over the table and then strut around like they won.

The Gish Gallop is an actual technique the Right loves to use. Just pour out an endless stream of lies, half lies, utter fantasies, and nonsense in order to force the opposition to spend time refuting stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think we learned our lesson with Bill Nye vs Ken Hamm. There is no good faith to be had, only a megaphone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I feel awful giving him money but I went to that “museum” in 2014 with my dad and sister. We thought it be an interesting place to go and learn to drive on my learners permit. We are Atheist Jews.

What I learned while I was there (sarcastically, I know the place is all propaganda for their Kool-Ade).

In their astronomy video they specifically say that a light year is the distance light travels in a year. The way they get around the universe being bigger than 6000 light is with the explanation: gravitational time dilation and anisotropic synchrony.

They said lack of god lead to teen boys watching porn and playing GTA. Then they will commit school shootings.

Girls will get pregnant and get abortions. Then they feel bad and commit suicide.

Adam and Eve lived in the tropics with dinosaurs and penguins and all ate pineapple.

Eve at the Apple committing the original sim by defying god and set subservience to man.

Velociraptors were on the arc.

Continental drift and all the super continents broke apart and back together multiple times when the world was flooded for a year.

On the arc they brought one kind of animal and once they went free then they split off into different species.

Separation of church and state is discriminatory against Christians.

Allowing evolution thought in public schools was an assault on Christianity.

Atheism leads to poverty, hunger, famine, drought, war, death, slavers, insert any horrible thing and atheism is to blame.

They had a whole bunch of finches to show Darwin was wrong.

… It was an interesting experience. The dioramas had a lot of work. The miniatures were neat.

The whole place made me angry and frustrated. Especially once they used Carl Sagan’s name to prove their baseless ideology he specifically spoke against shit like this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Continental drift and all the super continents broke apart and back together multiple times when the world was flooded for a year.

Wait, what? How in the fuck? Wouldn't that mean that the continents would be bouncing around the planet at like 50+MPH or some shit to equate to the total continental drift that actually occurred? That means that ocean explorers never actually went anywhere, they just sat in their boats for a couple of hours until the next continent came buzzing by. LOL!!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My favorite bit of the Creation Museum. I laugh every time I read it. The last point is especially funny.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't debate DeSantis. Ever. He does not deserve the legitimacy. I thought Trump was bad, and he was. But Trump is an imbecile who used money and likely being a traitor to his country to flounder to success. DeSantis knows he's an ignorant, evil piece of shit and is using all his limited ability to hurt people in order to curry favor with like-minded bigots. Fuck him, he's a nobody. Trump has contributed exactly 1 good thing to this world, and that's Meatball Ron.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, what's worse is that DeSantis isn't ignorant. He knows exactly what he's doing.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

They should debate on how to pronounce 'Thai food.' Harris would win.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Why would she waste her time with a ridiculous position to begin with?

That's like someone wanting to debate the earth is flat. It's a waste of time.

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