chapotraphouse

Just because it's ok to do something to an adult doesn't mean it's ok to do that same thing to a child. Many such cases.

There’s actually zero difference between good and bad things. You imbecile. You fucking moron.

Bullying bad people who deserve it and have shitty beliefs to be bullied out of is good. Bullying innocent children for things they cannot control is bad. Context matters.

"Any time I think of killing, I think of throttling a toddler while their parents have to watch. So let's not use killing to describe what we want to do to Nazis."

Sorry but this is a stupid, pointless argument to have. Context matters.

Context matters.

.... if you search the most riducules way of framing something to then make it a problem you can then beeing concerned about..... its not a problem , the most ridicules way of framing you applied is the problem.

and Bullying works . You will not relate bulling fascist out of their opinion on an online forum with" Sucide Cases in Highschool" anymore even if you are ridicules enough to draw this connection..

Drawing this conection is real not acceptable , and if you do it you appear as somebody searching and Stirring for Drama.

maybe using the 'punching up' vs 'punching down' language would be some helpful context?

"Bullying Down"

"Bullying Up"

I would never use a on a fourth grader

It’s because the chuds complain “I’m being bullied” that the term is used.

If we can bully some fascists into suicide that would be ok by me.

Yeah every time you're about to bully a fascist, simply shoot them instead.

No more half measures Walter

we have dozens of emotes which are direct references to murder, and a site culture that constantly celebrates righteous political violence, but bullying is a bridge too far?

Hot take, but to be honest, the whole 'bullying works' thing always came off as quite lame.

It's online discourse. You don't seem tough. You seem like the leftist stereotype of a keyboard warrior.

The chances are, a lot of leftists were probably on the 'bullied' side of the spectrum - more so than the right wing kids who were more likely to have been the bully. This could be too much extrapolation, but sometimes it seems like some deeper psychological impulse to enact justice on behalf of your younger self, and feel powerful.

anytime i hear about 'sex' i think of the time i was abused but you don't see me making my personal hangups into a Big Dramatic Criticism Of Hexbear Sitewide Culture.

Most people hear 'bullying' and think of like low stakes teasing and stuff, not child suicide. Its not this sites specific leftist attempt to 'reclaim' the word 'bullying', it is literally just english speakers using the word as usual with its usual meaning and context which does not include child suicide. absolutely no one here advocates for children committing suicide and it is borderline wrecker behavior to suggest as much. This is shock value emotional manipulation to associate hexbear with child suicide for no good reason whatsoever.

idk if you are intentionally wrecking but to the passive observer you are equating the mild criticism of the online posts of others with advocating for literal child deaths, that is absolutely ridiculous.

I object to comparing bullying libs and nazis to this. They're different things and everyone understands that.

I don't see why the word matters. I was bullied, I'd wager half the people here experienced some form of bullying as a kid. That doesn't change the fact that "cancel culture" "brigading" and generally being rude shits to people online with intent to get a social reaction out of them that is positive (they fuck off, apologise, delete accounts, never do it again, etc etc etc) is accurate to describe as bullying. It is bullying in service of good, this is bullying in service of bad. They're quite easily understood as different things.

Bullying works. Shooting people works too. What matters is the target.

We advocate for the here, why not make them (CW: suicide via gun)

On one hand fucking with random children sucks, but on the other hand turning cruelty back on the cruel is all i aspire to and my only real end goal. Shithead world

no shot this is sincere lmao

take your bait and fuck off

Strong agree.

When I was first checking out r/chapotraphouse it was really alienating to see bullying being referred to so positively. Why was a community that’s so disproportionately queer and neurodiverse lauding the merits of bullying when we’re so much more likely to be the victims?

We pretty much only use the word bullying when we’re talking about punching up, harassing horrible people in power or shutting down fascists and liberals. I think it’s a form of immunisation, a way of preempting accusations of horrible people that they’re being bullied for their harmful selfish bigotry with “yeah we’re bullying you so what”. It disarms the accusation and looks really strong/funny to outsiders, because the power differential between the people who’re crying they’re being “bullied” by us and the people who’re bullying them, or how socially accepted the (awful, harmful) views they’re claiming to hold are compared to the views they say we’re “bullying” them for not having. It’s really really funny when actual elected officials or Op Ed writers with huge readerships whine about being bullied by a crowd of posters with names like Ho_Chi_Minx and ✨StanStalin✨ and it makes them look weak and us look strong.

When we talk about what would more commonly be considered bullying, punching down on people who’re different because they’re different, like (I imagine, thank you for the CW I did not need to read that today) is reported on in the article you linked and many of us experience or have experienced daily we tend to use words like harassment, micro-aggressions, abuse, discrimination and trans/homophobia to describe what we’re going through. Whenever someone posts here about the bullying they’ve experienced, either as a child or an adult, there is almost without exception an outpouring of sympathy, compassion, outrage commiseration and support, and anything out of line is usually shut down almost immediately not just by the mod team (who can’t be everywhere at once) but by the willingness of almost everyone here to bully anyone trying to make this an unsafe space for our marginalised comrades into silence.

Yeah Hexbear has a problem with "being normal". Always has, it's why the podcast wanted to distance themselves from the r/chapotraphouse subreddit.

Really think about what "bullying works!" with no context added would look like to a normie. Complete insanity. I want to distance myself from this site whenever it gets brought up.

I'm with you but

"Causing intentional social discomfort and osticization in response to unacceptable antisocial positions and actions"

is a bit of a mouth full

What do you suggest instead

commenters: please consider, while the comparison to what is effectively child murder is unhelpful and inaccurate, there is a genuine complaint to be made here. The site culture created by the “bullying works” mindset is hostile and deeply stressful for neurodivergent people in general. I kind of wish this discussion didn’t enter the site zeitgeist this way, considering that the issue isn’t really about bullying in general but moreso the bad application of it (we think being armed is good too, but we always recommend good gun discipline!), but it’s been needed to have been had for a long time and- unless I’m mistaken- it has been had before and many neurodivergent moderators and volunteers left the team due to a lack of proper action on it. I urge anyone reading this to go past the immediate, reactionary urge to dismiss the issue altogether (and do understand I sympathize with it given the OP’s extremely hyperbolic nature), and try and understand the criticism (many of, there are always outliers) us neurodivergent users have been making for a long time.

As much as the concept of bullying libs, lolbertarians and other chuds is funny, I do wonder about using the term while schools in the western world do jack shit about bullying amongst their student populace...

People here bully for the same reason anyone else bullies: cruelty without consequence makes the bully feel powerful. The idea that bullying is "praxis" or whatever is self-justifying delusion. Nobody who can explain at length why individual voting in bourgeois elections is a waste of time genuinely believes that they're doing more to improve material conditions by seeking out the safest possible environment to perform focused personal cruelty without negative social feedback. People do it because it's fun for them. It's a hobby. People don't want to be told not to enjoy their shameful treat, so they come up with tortured excuses about why their indulgence is actually a selfless public service.

"bullying works" i remind myself, as i call a sitting senator with grandkids an "incel"