Groundwater is a terrible thing to deal with for underground dwellings. It's a hard problem to solve. Possible, but hard.
this post was submitted on 05 Jun 2024
62 points (100.0% liked)
askchapo
22766 readers
497 users here now
Ask Hexbear is the place to ask and answer ~~thought-provoking~~ questions.
Rules:
-
Posts must ask a question.
-
If the question asked is serious, answer seriously.
-
Questions where you want to learn more about socialism are allowed, but questions in bad faith are not.
-
Try [email protected] if you're having questions about regarding moderation, site policy, the site itself, development, volunteering or the mod team.
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
around 40 million people live in yaodongs in China
similar to shaanbei yaodong are the cave houses in the sierra nevada in andalucia. especially the sacromonte caves in granada, traditionally inhabited by roma who were not allowed to live inside city limits
Digging out a ton of rock and earth is a lot more complicated IRL than it is in games like Dwarf Fortress or Minecraft. Real life geology is pretty complicated, you gotta deal with shit like ground water, unstable types of earth, blasting. It's all pretty expensive and dangerous. Meanwhile humans have gotten pretty good at erecting shit above ground, we can throw up sheds and huts like nobodies business.
Edit: Also plumbing, electrical, HVAC, means of egress and sewage become problems with subterranean development. Digging a room underground, doable, but then you're gonna have to dig out additional shit to get all the water pipes and air ducts in there. Also, people like having windows, and windows are good for fire safety, but it's kind of hard to put enough windows in if only one side of a dwelling is facing the open land.
more complicated IRL than it is in Minecraft
true true
Dwarf Fortress
woah slow down
As much as I like DF, even dwarfs couldn't mine out giant granite chambers that fucking quick with just pickaxes, come on.
I promise you I was only joking when I implied that Dwarf Fortress is literally more complicated than real life
spoiler
or was I
I wanna see the fucking sun
Sweetiy we have seasonal depression lamps 😌
People acting like you gotta turn into Gollum and never leave your underground dwelling while subsisting on blind cave fish.
Yeah hahaha, that would be weird if we did that 
Leave those blind cave fish alone, they're just vibing and eating algae.
I wanna be an irl dwarf fortress dwarf ngl
it's a dangerous world to live in. just the other day i built a well over an underground lake in a cavern layer. every now and then a giant bat would fly up the well and into the room, flap around a bit, and then leave back down the well. but then one time one of the children was in the room and in a panic running away from the giant bat ended up falling down the well and drowning.
o shid o fuk a giant bat aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa splash halphalp i'm drowning blubbrbrbbllblbl
This is why you make an automated swimming pool in your temple.
i've now placed cage traps all around the well. any chance i can train the giant bats to be mounts?
To my knowledge mounts are currently only available to the player in Adventure Mode. I could be wrong though. As far as I understand it mounts aren't working in Fortress mode for the player but do work for enemies who enter the map riding them.
They should be trainable though. Also those things are massive, like several times the size of an adult dwarf so the child falling down the well in fear shouldn't be too surprising. Max giant bat size is 200k cm^3 while max dwarf size is 60k cm^3. Max size figures are pretty good for getting a general idea of the size of these things lol.
load more comments
(3 replies)
Look into Derinkuyu. It's so fucking cool. They were able to do it because it was soft stone.
Keeping the water out winds up being a huge problem. Either its percolating down from outside water sources and working down through the cracks in the rocks until its inside your house or its condensation buildup from the living things inside the cave house.
Personally, I'd love to live in an underground bunker because I'm a weirdo, but i would be pretty cool with some small single story house with a reinforced shed style roof with a few feet of soil and let the crass grow.
earth-covered homes have a great climate control advantage, I'm for it in environments where it's feasible
let's do it
I'll start digging while you gather up some rugs and pillows
It's generally much more economical to build upward into empty air than to clear large amounts of earth before you can even get started building
Subnautica style underwater living facility, but we live in a shallow area.
It can be done, damnit, I know it can
It would be so cool to have a stairway with glass in one side so you can walk up or down the stairs and see the change between above and below the waterline
Feel your ears pop as you descend. See the fauna change
Even better! I was just imagining a two story next to a lake deal or something.
real 
hours who up
Feel like shit, just wanna live in a hobbit hole.
some of us can live that way
looks at billionaires' bunkers
poop
We climb out of hole
We poop in designated area
We compost poop
poop juice infiltrates thru the walls because we didn't put our poop processing hole far enough away
Hamas convinced me how good it must be there
This is tangentially relevant, but in my conworld I'm mainly writing about one specific country, and this country was colonized by a foreign empire. A major part of the colonial resource extraction was in the form of mining, particularly open-pit mining. When economic crises led to a lot of mining companies pulling out of the colony and simply abandoning their old mines — with these crises also leading to widespread homelessness within the colony — a lot of homeless residents actually ended up carving homes into the sides of the benches of the abandoned mining pits. A lot of these homes are still around today, albeit less hazardous and with running water — and the people who live in these homes are called "troglodytes" or "trogs" or "troggies".
Some people in Spain used to live in Caves until the 1970's
Remembered this guy that had the manly urge to dig and now there's a group of people that are expanding the tunnels.
Wet
idk, but iirc some really deadly earthquakes have been due to mass cave homes
ROCK AND STONE!
Moisture management probably.
-
Homes are mostly empty space, gotta move more stuff to empty them out than to move the walls into place.
-
If you're building your house above ground, you know exactly what's in the way (bunch of air). If you're building underground, you have to deal with a bunch of different kinds of ground, and you don't fully know which ones where until you start digging.
view more: next ›