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My go to reference for this is Search Party. The first season is the most engaging TV I've ever seen, the second season is still pretty damn good, but then the show got picked up by HBO and became total shit for 2 seasons. Like god I fucking hated season 4 of that show.

As far as movies go, I gotta go with Shrek the Third. 1,2 & 4 are all great, but what the fuck was 3?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

The first season of game of thrones was mostly excellent (even if a bit SA-ey)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Stranger Things season 1 is really good and has great MKUltra theming. The show goes downward each following season though.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Arrested Development, but it's obvious why. The first 3 seasons are perfect and then the quality suffers significantly, but that's somewhat understandable because seasons 4 onwards were filmed a decade later.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I'm of the minority opinion that season 4 is still pretty good, at least in it's original cut, but season 5 somehow manages to be a comedy show without a single funny joke in it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I have to hand it to Season 4 of Arrested Development simply because they were on a new medium (streaming) and tried to do something different because of it. They made it work despite of the main cast not being able to shoot together for most of the shoot.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fringe, and similarly basically any high concept drama without a defined endpoint. Weeds is another one of these. Shows like this can go approximately 3 seasons before self-destructing when they either run out of coherent ideas, exhaust their ability to believably raise the stakes, or a writer shakeup detonates the narrative thread.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Lost is a show that I watched that kind of fits this description.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

The last season of Deep Space 9 got really rough with the pah wraiths and how quickly they had to close the story. Still hit some beautiful highs, but I find how quickly they had to end Dukat’s story almost comical.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think a TV show has a set story in mind, and roughly how that will play out over 3 seasons or so, then it gets wildly popular and the network says "yeah we're gonna need 9 seasons out of this IP" and then the writers have to figure out how to add some rake kickflips and unnecessary characters when they really don't have anything more to say with them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definitely Dexter. First five seasons are fantastic (although three isn't as good as people think). Then it's just "what the fuck were they thinking?" with the rest. New Blood was okay. I still think it should have ended with Dexter getting caught and we find out his narration is him confessing to his crimes before getting executed.

Also, holy shit? Someone else who's seen Search Party?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've never watched Dexter but I've heard ranged things about when to stop. Is it worth picking up for the first few seasons?

Yes I loved Search Party. Seasons 1,2,&5 are great, 3 isn't that good but 4 is literally the most annoyed I've ever been with a show ever

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the og "canon" was season 1-4, but idk if it's really aged well. Absolutely banger opening theme tho

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I always watch the opening and end credits. Probably the GOAT intro followed by True Blood.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah the first five seasons are great, with season 3 being the weakest. Season 4 is regarded as one of the best seasons in television history. Personally I think 5 is underrated and often people stop at 4 because of the ending. I think if 5 was wedged in earlier, people would have liked it more. It was just overshadowed by 4 and Trinity being a fantastic villain.

Season 6 is where things really start to fall off. The show was still on 12 episode seasons and season 6 could have been condensed to less than 10. It goes on for a bit too long. Otherwise, it would have been a good season.

Seasons 7 and 8 are really bad. A lot of filler, the villains don't compare to earlier seasons, etc. It was the worst series finale until Game of Thrones. It's worth watching to set up New Blood, but you wouldn't lose much just by skimming Wikipedia for plot summaries and watching only a few of the important episodes.

Despite its ending, it's still one of the best brother and sister stories ever told on TV. It avoids copaganda, depicting cops as corrupt and incompetent. The depictions of forensics, however, are problematic and contributed to the CSI Effect.

I actually liked all of Search Party's seasons, but I can see why some people wouldn't. The roundabout chase scene made me completely lose my shit laughing. They probably should have killed Dori off and ended the show after 3 seasons, though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Stargate SG1 and Atlantis are great, then they decided to copy BSG's tone for Universe and it was dogshit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I never finished Voltron: Legendary Defender. At first it was because I was too busy and distracted even if I liked the strong start it had, but when I returned, the "shipping" started to take over and I decided to read ahead to see if I wanted to take in the later seasons.

I did not like what I read. No spoilers, but it was both extra shippy and pissed off those very same shippers for some reason. susie-baffled

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It was schlock, but I thought Sons of Anarchy was fun until the end when it just devolved into concentrated misery porn.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Silicon Valley on HBO. First 2-3 seasons are fantastic, ignore the rest.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Westworld Season 1 was very promising everything after was just Jonathan Nolan rehashing memento with robots and Jessie Pinkman with a toupee.

Mr Robot was a thrill ride but suffered from the boundaries of liberal thought as it tried to explain the outcome of its political choices and actions, leaning heavily on the surreal to fill in the gaps.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

The first 6 episodes of Ugly Americans were pretty damn good and then it fell off immediately after it went to a full first season

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Bear season 3. Season 1 was all about the working class and the conflicts of gentrification as demanded by capitalism and authenticity. Season 2 was similar themes plus struggling with maintianing a healthy life outside of work when you have crazy ambitions. And then season 3 was just.... about how if you dont bend your will to capitalism and be a good cog in the machine of a fine dining establishment then you're a shit human being? Idk man it really lost the plot

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. Angie's episode was fantastic though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I agree. And it was the only one of the season that seemed to revisit the original themes of the series

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think people overstate how big the drop is, but Psycho-Pass sure drops off in the second season.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

True. That fucking disappointed to watch

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Supernatural after season 3-ish became a fandom show rather the novel monster of the week with dysfunctional and poor brothers traveling the us and a larger world of monster Hunter that sorta reminded me of Hunter The Reckoning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would argue 4, with the addition of Castiel, is where it really hits its stride as a scooby-doo type monster of the week beat with a full cast outside of the family to cut through some of the melodrama. But that's the hard cut-off for me because after that's when they start dying and bringing each other back from hell over and over again and their sibling drama is super played out at this point etc. They could have done something interesting 7 and onward, but they didn't. IDK I stopped at the end of 7, except to catch the Scooby-Doo crossover episode which was alot of fun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

There's lots

Eureka Dexter Falling skies Supernatural

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Probably Heroes. First season was good, second sorta had potential but fell off pretty hard fast during it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Heroes was a warning that capeshit typically is preoccupied with origin stories and rarely commits to going forward and actually putting a team together and keeping them on ongoing adventures, outside of the MCU thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Heroes is the classic answer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Bubbles warned them in canon about getting "old and shitty."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

True Detective, Fargo

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Doctor Who realistically has multiple dropoffs. The Sixth Doctor stuff is mostly terrible, and so are the episodes with Jodie Whittaker, although it wasn't her fault.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least Search Party saved itself in the final season, the very last shot is one of my favorite series endings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Loved the final season, but 3&4 were so bad

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Bones

The first 3-4 seasons are really good. Lots of sets, lots of live action, lots of really good practical effects, and based pretty well in real(ish) science. Season 1 in particular has a ton of Bones beating people up which i personally love and wish theyd kept throughout the series. It's a Bush era show aired on Fox, so there's cop worship and "gotta defend the homeland" brainworms, but I like that the message universally is that the cops are too dumb to solve crimes and they need the smart people in a lab to figure it out for them.

Show drops off immensely after season 4. The stakes feel lower, the writing isn't as witty, they got a toyota sponsorship so once an episode a character will all but straight up look in the camera and say "but a toyota you pathetic worm". Less on location shots, more CGI. Just disappointing after seeing what they could do. It was probably the only network TV crime drama I liked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Twin peaks. Season 1 is classic. Season 2 is so fucking bad. Season 2 had me so unenthused, that when Season 3 was a bit wobbly in places I said fuck it and stopped watching.