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It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Censorship is alive and well at .world, huh? I’ll leave y’all turds to your echo chamber then and block your infantile instance. GFL!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Is the person censoring you in the room with us right now?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

Whew the tankies and astroturfers are out in force in these comments. I think we got the gamut going here:

  1. "I don't vote for genocide"
  2. "A vote for 3rd party isn't a vote for Trump"
  3. "If we don't vote 3rd party nothing will change"
  4. "Jill Stein isn't a Russian asset"
  5. "Who cares if Trump wins; they're both bad / nothing worse will happen l both sides"
  6. "I literally don't understand how Trump can win if I vote 3rd party because I don't understand the difference between voting for and against a candidate"
  7. "Liberals / Democrats / Harris voters are the real fascists"

Solid work astroturfers! Glad to see you're still trotting out these arguments despite plenty of Lemmy users discrediting each and every one. Really shows grit and dedication.

Also, calling it now that at least one of them replies with something about how they're true / haven't been discredited.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

It makes it easy to tag them for future reference or block them at least.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago

I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually Trump supporters, just trying to get the swing voters to be all pessimistic and get them not to vote or vote 3rd party.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 18 hours ago

... And the one that's best to vote for is Harris.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (11 children)

And remember: a "protest" third party vote is a vote for Trump.

If neither Harris nor Trump gets 270 electoral votes....

[If] No one gets to 270 and the House of Representatives, voting on behalf of the 50 states, is entrusted to pick the next president. What could possibly go wrong with that constitutionally mandated solution?

-- What if no candidate wins 270 electoral votes?

Edit: I feel like this fact is often overlooked.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

A protest vote to a third party is actually a protest vote to whoever you prefer less. You're essentially just removing yourself as a voter and making it more likely the person you like less is elected... we often say "third party is a vote for Trump" since most of lemmy is sane - but for a staunch conservative a vote for a third party is a vote for Harris.

I'd encourage everyone to vote regardless of your leaning - having low voter turnout allows more shitty shenanigans.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

Yep, we also say that because there are a lot of astroturf accounts pushing Stein and De La Cruz on Lemmy that are hyper-critical of Harris but suspiciously never want to talk about what a shitbag Trump is.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's because Harris is Satan and Trump is my Daaaaddy

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

I’m really encouraged by the fact that universalmonk and return2ozma’s posts get heavily downvoted when they push this slop in Lemmy

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 18 hours ago

Third parties are crucial and we can't vote for them (intelligently) until we change away from first past the post:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

[–] [email protected] 25 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (20 children)

"Instead, protest voting is in fact likely to harm the democratic process, potentially leading to the election of the candidate the majority of voters overall, and protest voters specifically, most dislike."

^ THIS!

In a Presidential election, whoever gets the most votes wins.

If "Not Trump" is split between 5 candidates, and Trump gets the most votes, he wins.

Here's a scenario:

Trump - 40%
Harris - 35%
Kennedy - 15%
Oliver - 5%
Stein - 3%
West - 2%

Trump wins. Even though 60% of the voting public don't want him. The "Not Trump" vote failed to coalesce under one candidate enough to block him from winning.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is what I keep saying. It's like my scenario with the Class President. A Nerd and a Jock are running. 51 kids are nerds and don't want the Jock. 49 kids are jocks and don't want the Nerd. Pretty clear that the Nerd wins, because more people don't want the Jock than the Nerd, right? Wrong. If the Jock can peel just THREE votes off from the nerd coalition, the Jocks win it and D&D night is cancelled.

Now re-read that and replace nerds with Liberals, jocks with Conservatives, and 'D&D night is cancelled' with 'Project 2025 is shoved down our throats.' Then...vote with your fucking head and not your fucking heart!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's like this, but Jocks' votes are worth more than Nerds'.

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