Try to keep all US election-posting here.
I'm gonna be honest.
Even though I didn't like Kamala, I still view the overall result as a tragedy for the working-class, as the cultural zeitgeist will likely change following this.
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All this electoralism talk just makes me go like
They'll pay for their crimes one day.
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At first, i agreed with the explanations based on the lack of cohesion of the democratic party, and the influence of Palestine, on the votes :
With most votes counted, the 2024 election elected D.Trump with ~73M votes vs. ~68M for K.Harris, compared to 2020 when D.Trump was rejected despite having the same numbers(, 74.2M,) and J.Biden was elected with 81.3M votes.
Furthermore, D.Trump would have received less votes without influent people like Robert Kennedy Jr. on his side, who still received votes apparently.
However, third parties like the libertarian party or the Green party received much more votes in 2016 than in 2024(, and the republican&democratic parties much less). Having gained 1M votes at most wouldn't have that much of an impact.
(I've also sometimes heard(, mostly twitter, but here's msnbc,) that the 2.5M muslim-americans voted D.Trump in opposition but that's not supported(source), even if J.Stein should have obtained much more if these surveys were trustworthy).
While i can't deny the influence of many pro-Palestine actors, i can't really prove it by the numbers either, and some deny its importance. Also, the high voter turnout doesn't favor the alternative of a boycott.
I only took a superficial look, so i don't doubt that there're many americans here who could easily correct my mistakes if they want to
People didn't feel like voting for Kamala, so instead of voting for Trump they stayed home.
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Well… dems on Twitter are salivating over a completely flattened Gaza as revenge for their loss. Very cool…
Yup. Saw a few of them already saying they look forward to buying property in ethnically cleansed Gaza/West Bank.
Also this:
They really cannot keep their masks on can they?
To them anti-fascism is just a vibe, and social justice causes just an aesthetic, a way to signal team loyalty. When push comes to shove and they get scratched, all of their feigned sympathy with the oppressed goes out the window and they become foaming at the mouth Nazis indistinguishable from MAGA.
lmao thats your average liberal right there
anti-fascism IS just a vibe to them but fascism itself is too, I would argue lol. According to them fascism is when you say mean things about minorities on twitter and complain about woke, definitely has nothing to do with imperial shrinkage and what happens when empires run out of gas. This cycle has taught me just how little the american voter gives a fuck about geopolitics. They themselves will often tell you with a smile how they only really care about domestic politics (AKA what they personally stand to gain from imperialism).
Their true-crime fetish spills over into fantasizing about endless brown people being bombed by their own country.
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Honestly man I can't even say I am shocked. Saw it coming from miles away.
You mean to say that --
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switching candidates halfway through the election
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having your replacement candidate be one of the few people somehow less popular than Biden
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having said candidate go around openly endorsing genocide
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telling leftists to ignore this, because genocide isn't really a big deal
-- isn't some kind of winning strategy to Unite the Left?
The funniest part is that
- switching candidates halfway through the election
- having your replacement candidate be one of the few people somehow less popular than Biden
Isn't a wholly accurate representation, as she surged after initially replacing Biden because she briefly represented "hope and change" ....then she immediately threw all that momentum away to try and win over racist right wingers as a black woman.
Honestly, imo they lost the election before Gaza even entered the mainstream conversation. The Dems the past 4 years have exhibited nothing but betrayal after betrayal of their constituency. From record deportations of immigrants, to crushing labor strikes, to escalating the trade war with China, to deceiving the public about COVID relief, to bungled natural disaster responses, to lying about Biden's obvious cognitive decline, etc.
Gaza was just the nail in the coffin.
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That's cause you're not in a cult. :)
I've done what I feel is a pretty good job ignoring US election (canadian here), but the liberal head loss over this I sadly cannot ignore. Otherwise reasonable people acting as if the world has ended when this man has already been president ? Some of the same people who agreed with me that KKKamala is not in any capacity a "harm reduction" vote acting as if martial law has just been declared or some shit ? Maybe I'm just the disagreeable asshole but I just find this behavior sad.
Obviously fuck Trump should go without saying how pathetically shitty that dude is but I mean come on. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been murdered and terminally wounded under the democrats, not trump. Roe v Wade was overturned under the democrats, not Trump. We have witnessed one of the most acute transfers of wealth to the ultra rich under the dems, not the republicans. The war in the Ukraine started and was goaded on under Biden's admin, not Trump.
I'm not trying to say in any sense that things will get a single iota better with republicans in office but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills seeing the reactions online and from people I would consider to be rational individuals. They might even be right that these things will get worse under another Trump admin more quickly or in different ways than if Kamala won, but still I find the reaction to it ridiculous.
Not that any american needs to or should care about my opinion considering I'm relatively removed from the situation but like, am I being unempathetic or unreasonable ?
I don't find your view unreasonable at all. Pro-Democrat people have always been crazy when it comes to losing the election to a Republican and Pro-Republican people have always been crazy when it comes to losing the election to a Democrat.
The really substantial global events such as the Zionist Genocide against the Gaza Strip and the Russia-Ukraine war are more impactful than all the bickering between the 2 parties in the USA. State agencies make plans years in advance before carrying them out so that they can dedicate state resources towards those plans. If there were to be a candidate that caused major disruption to those plans then all efforts would be made to undermine their chance of coming to power.
There's only a change in rhetoric and framing of major events depending on who wins the election. I don't live in the USA either but I remember feeling conflicted about how I would have voted were I to have lived there in 2020. Trump is outwardly a racist person who uses similar propaganda tactics as Hitler IMO. He feeds off of people's anger, scapegoats minorities, creates a sense of 'community' among his supporters to make them feel emotionally invested in supporting him, uses ingroup/outgroup politics more heavily, and creates catchy labels to attack his enemies "sleepy Joe", "crooked Hillary" etc.
Whereas Kamala Harris and Democrats in general (like Obama) are just good at honing in on the most diplomatic language possible to invoke apathy towards all injustices perpetrated by the US government, its allies and corporations. And to be honest, with me I admit that it kind of works. I remember feeling much more passionate about awful shit in the USA when Trump was president compared to Biden. I can't even imagine the rage I would have felt had Donald Trump justified the bombing of Al-Ahli Hospital by Israel compared to Biden doing the exact same thing.
Which of the two is worse is impossible for me to say, and all Dems who admonish people for voting for Jill Stein and opposing Genocide, blaming them for some imaginary people bleeding out are total clowns. The election ended up being about whether you identify more with Elon Musk and Joe Rogan or with Beyoncé. It's ok if you don't fall into either camp.
I had the same feeling. I am not going to bat for Trump now or even, man is a piece of shit, but he's still a known quantity. They have had a Trump presidency before. It sucked sure, but I don't know why people are acting like he is going to declare himself emperor day 1. He has been in office, we know exactly the type of policies he would be pursuing. A couple of which I could honestly see as being good things, albeit for the wrong reasons (like if Trump actually withdrew the US from NATO, not that I expect that to ever happen).
Yet I see people seriously believing that he is going to round up all dissenters day 1 and declare martial law. ICE has been doing that already, for both flavours of administration.
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Honey, wake up, new narrative just dropped.
If only the evil Russians didn't email bomb threats, Kamala would have won. :( Damn you, Putin! You win again you dastardly villain!
She not only lost, she lost big. A few bomb threats didn't make the difference.
Found the Putinbot.
I got mad for a second at your reply only to realise this is Lemmygrad lol
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She lost the popular vote, and thats huge, as a rule of thumb you should just be able to assume the dems will win the popular vote.
- Buy a .ru domain
- Send an email to literally anyone in the US
- Brace for impact
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Now I wonder if Trump will actually implement those 100% tariffs he threatened against dedollarizing countries.
Wait so he is threatening me with the faster collapse of the American Empire?
Hopefully, but IMO its irrelevant which party controls which branch of government. Nobody's stopping the collapse train.
Overall I like that murica's international standing takes big respectability hits, and less countries are likely to go along with whatever imperialist venture they have.
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You godless commies should have Pokémon Gone to the polls, now everyone will DIE and it is your fault.
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This shit was so predictable lmao at least the victory lap will be less violent than the "stolen election" protests, America now has a more fitting face
This election has proven that the fearmongering for the Greens by the Democrats was unfounded. The Greens won 0,7% of the vote in Michigan and the Dems there lost by more than a percent
Technically, it could also mean that people who didn't want to vote for a major party abstained from the election altogether (e.g. why wait for an hour and a half if you think not voting at all would accomplish the same thing?)
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The joy is dead😭😭
Maybe if they spent more time in reality and less time celebrating in a state of cult-like Euphoria, they would have seen this coming
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Accelerationist candidate let's go!
Ain't nobody stopping that train, its accelerating no matter which party's in power.
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If you have imposter syndrome remember that Dems raised hundreds of millions of dollars in donation only to lose to a neurodegenerated reality TV star
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Ah shit folks look like Trump is winning but worry not. As soon as I file this 69th indictment against Donald Drumpf in the court of New York we will get him for good.
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