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[-] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago

Microwaving delivers a triple whammy: heat, UV irradiation, and hydrolysis

Microwave ovens do not generate ultraviolet light. They operate in the, well, microwave region of the electromagnetic spectrum.

I'm not saying microwaving plastic poses no risks, but this mistake makes me doubt the veracity of some of the more sensationalist claims in the article.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Wired articles are generally about interesting topics but take a sensationalist click-bait approach. I usually just skim the headline and look up the info somewhere more reputable if it sounds important.

For example, here's some info from the USDA:

Plastic storage containers such as margarine tubs, take-out containers, whipped topping bowls, and other one-time use containers should not be used in microwave ovens. These containers can warp or melt, possibly causing harmful chemicals to migrate into the food.
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/node/3355

[-] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

So...
Don't microwave plastics that were not designed to be microwaved.
Ground breaking.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

In a past study, I saw that even microwave-safe plastics leak harmful chemicals into the food

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Perhaps, but that's not what this research has concluded.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Makes sense, hydrocarbons and heat generally means cancer. They like to make all kinds of things that your body doesn't like.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

causing harmful chemicals to migrate into the food

damn immigrants taking our food

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

THEY TOOK JER FOOD!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

So it's only a problem if you melt your bowl. Sounds like a nothing

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It also says they microwaved the baby food in its plastic container for 3 minutes on High before checking to see the amount of microplastics in the results.

Not sure about you guys, but I've had some experience with baby food in the last decade and can confirm that is FUCKING INSANE!

Baby food is for... well, babies. And therefore is in baby portions. Like an ounce or two of easily digestible liquids, like liquified peas. Putting a couple ounces of liquid peas in the microwave for 3 minutes on High is not going to end well, no matter what type of container you're using.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

"We need a sensationalist headline to rile people up" "Ok, I'll get ChatGPT to whip up some bullshit about microwaving plastic and how it fucks up all the food!" "Awesome"

"Hey boss, we got called out by people who have common sense" "Oh well, they're not our target audience anyway, our targeted demographic will forget all about this when you post the next article, they have the memory of goldfish, fuck em"

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The linked study itself doesn’t make that claim either although I didn’t pay to see the detailed version.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Totally makes sense not to microwave plastics, why take the risk?

That said this article is alarmist. It states, “… The human health effects of plastic exposure are unclear…” then goes on to give a bunch scary quoyes to generate fear.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think you're right in a sense about being alarmist because that's what this article says. They know that it isn't good for you to heat plastic so stop doing that. Also, FDA start studying the shit out of this because even if it's bad, the scientist doubts they'll change to something good because it opens themeselves up for litigation from past events. The author doesn't want this to be a "smoking isn't bad for you" situation.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Respectfully disagree, I thought the tone was sufficiently concerning without being overly alarmist. I'll stop microwaving plastics, which is a super easy lifestyle modification, until further research and evidence comes to light about this subject.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

They aren’t denying plastics is a danger. They are pointing out the ethics violation which is a valid concern.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I stopped microwaving plastics back when the BPA mimicking hormones thing was first coming to light, knowing that the alternatives the corps switched to would just fall under "no evidence of danger at this point (because it is new or hasn't been specifically studied)" rather than "proven safe".

It wasn't hard. I use glass dishes with plastic lids to store leftovers (so there's an air gap between the plastic and the food, but now I am wondering if that's enough or maybe I should get some bamboo lids for microwaving) and ceramic dishes for things I'm just making them.

And I avoid microwavable dinners, as even the paper ones have a layer of plastic to prevent leaking (which I wonder how necessary it is if the food is frozen immediately and kept frozen until heated up).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Maybe just transfer the contents of the microwave dinner into a glass bowl? Those microwave instructions can't possibly be too crucial to the contents which are already going to be a bit sus to begin with. (That said, microwave food has come a LONG way in the last couple decades, real quietly too. I remember them being garbage when I was a kid but there's some real good stuff out there now.)

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Managed to misreply. Was intended to reply to your comment, but ended up as reply to post.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That's been happening a lot lately with kbin. I got a notification of a reply to one of my posts, except it was actually in a different thread that I never commented on

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I quit doing this many many years ago. Glass only for me in microwaves.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thoughts on microwaving ceramics? (Or even wood)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Hmmm no idea honestly?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

As long as the ceramics have been fully glazed with a food-safe glaze and do not have any metallic decorations, they are most likely microwave safe. Generally, brand name/corporate made stuff will be fine, but handmade can be iffy because a lot of really pretty glazes are not food safe.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure I'm like 30% microplastics at this point. I've been mealprepping for years, throw everything in "microwave safe" plastic containers. During the week I'm working all day, come home exhausting, throw one of those bad boys in the microwave and be eating within minutes. Not the best, but better than getting fast food or just eating a sandwich when I don't have the energy to cook.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

From the abstract of the original paper:

The results indicated that microwave heating caused the highest release of microplastics and nanoplastics into food compared to other usage scenarios, such as refrigeration or room-temperature storage.

Why on earth didn't they compare a different heating scenario? What kind of science is that? The take is not "microwave is bad", it's actually "Some plastics are bad, and worse when heated".

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

FTA:

The human health effects of plastic exposure are unclear

Polypropylene is considered safe for food contact—even in the microwave

Plastics in food have been studied for quite awhile, we should be able to point to some notable negatives if they exist. The whole thing with non-toxic plastics is it doesn't react with anything, so the article simply pointing out they can exist in food isn't sufficient to demonstrate harm.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Did you read the whole article? They followed up by exposing kidney cells to the extracted micro and nanoplastics and they caused significant amounts of cell death. There is definite evidence that something in these plastics is causing harm, and more study is definitely warranted.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Is this the kind of study like when they injected aspartame into rats' brains in huge quantities and they got sick? Because this kind of overexposure isn't useful. The dose makes the poison and exposing cells to overwhelming amounts of anything will kill them.

To test what these plastics do to our bodies once they’re consumed, the team bathed human embryonic kidney cells in the plastic roughage shed by the baby-food containers. (The team chose this kind of cell because kidneys have so much contact with ingested plastic.) After two days of exposure to concentrated microplastics and nanoplastics, about 75 percent of the kidney cells died

Bathed. Concentrated. Two words that prove this won't be anywhere near reality. We need studies on how this affects people with real-world conditions. Not artificial conditions that are so far from reality that the effects observed are meaningless.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yes, more data is needed, yet the article itself is super alarmist imho. It waffles on about microplastics for several paragraphs, mentioning the way lower sounding count of nanoplastics only offhandedly, then suddenly does a grudging 180 and admits that microplastics aren't likely to be an issue, but nanoplastics might be bad.

The study the article conveniently defends is not really a good indicator. They overdosed the plastic they had the (isolated) cells in significantly, justifying that by "but buildup might occur" without a base for what amount of which buildup would be realistic and if the exposure they chose is close to that. This sort of vagueness usually points to an exaggerated experiment.

I have heard this sort of thing Just waaaay too often. I'm the end, this shit might be getting dangerous only on levels 99% of people never ever reach. It's the same as "testing in mice has shown..." Thing. That does only hint at possible implications, it doesn't tell you anything about reality. In the end, mice aren't human, isolated cells are not babies and however chosen concentrations of a substance in a petry dish aren't real life exposures.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not saying their method is entirely inappropriate, but it does sounds like that argument that "coke is bad for your bones" supported by immersing chicken bones in coke.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I read the whole article and that particular test was the least alarming to me. Arricle sais the cells died 3x faster than when exposed to a more diluted solution, but the article doesn't mention references for what concentration levels were tested or if the levels were anywhere close to what a real human being could be exposed to. They just say the particles might accumulate over time, but that doesn't really mean anything without hard numbers.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thanks for the article sans popup bro

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Go by the study. And then if there are other studies, look at the combination of them. Ignore the articles speculations, they do not undermine a study that was supposed to look at “how much micro and nano particles of plastics are released and we’re subjected to when microwaving food in plastic containers”.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What kind of psycho microwaves plastic anyway? Even if it isn't releasing potentially toxic crap, the plastic gets hotter than the food. I'm not risking my hand melting off for a crappy Hot Pocket.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Some do, some don't. Some ceramics get hot enough to crack, while others don't heat at all. It depends on the material the container is made of.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Piss off with this bullshit.

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