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I usually hate anecdotal stories, especially as it's the tool of the right to defend pseudoscience. However, there's a heap of scientific evidence behind us.

In the last six months, I've a lot of older people and family passed due to heart troubles, including my dad. I would never say anything out loud, as it's just rude, as people are grieving and I don't know for 100% sure (the fecking burden of not being a reactionary). Like a friend's mum died of heart failure 3 months after a COVID infection, and I thought to myself "this is a very good chance that COVID increased her risk" but I'm not going to be a knob and say that out loud. You know who didn't fail to give their opinion? Fucking antivaxxers everywhere. "Did you mother get the jab?" "Fuck off her last vaccine was in 2021".

The other massive glaring thing I see every day is my students. Exam scores are way down, while behavioural and emotional problems (including medication) is up. COVID infections definitely can hurt kids' cognitive ability and cause an increased risk of neurological problems. I've just see way more fighting, anger, and serious emotional troubles in school than I ever have in my 20+ years of teaching. Students are missing way more school due to illnesses like COVID but also other viral stuff like the cold and flu than they ever used to, and they're falling behind because of it.

Total shot in the dark, but I see more of my close friends struggling with depression, anxiety, and low energy than I ever remember. I don't mean to downplay the genuine struggle that is mental health, people definitely had symptoms before COVID and many other issues are completely unrelated to COVID. I'm just seeing an increase across the board with people I know, especially people who I previously considered to be a rock.

I know that anecdotal evidence isn't worth considering, but we've being posting hard science for years, and I think it's fair that we start to notice patterns in our community.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have noticed that people generally seem more rude and selfish, whether that's behind the wheel or on a sidewalk or in a grocery store. is it due to cognitive changes from covid or because the pandemic drilled into their heart that nobody gives a fuck about them? 😞

I finally have it, and this "just a flu" thing is such horseshit. I know you all know already, but jfc. my brain is a disaster, my lungs hurt like I just chain-smoked a pack of Red 100s, and I get winded walking to the kitchen πŸ˜‘ the only times I've been more tired involved opiate withdrawal or parenting a newborn.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

❀️ thank you meow-hug

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Social issues can exacerbate the biomedical stuff, making it all worse. Tons of kids lost their grandparents in the last four years, along with other family members, just as one example. Their parents have post-infection problems that frustrate the parents, that anger and frusrtation effects the kids even if the parents don't take it out on them, it makes the behavioral problems worse. kids are already stressed and then stuck in a boiler with other stressed kids, everyone's sick all the time, their parents are stressed from the profiteering on food and rent and everything.

It all feeds back on itself. Refusing to stop Covid was a world historical sin that can never be made right.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Kids today are going to be a complete shit show and will be a case study on how mass illness affects trauma, phobias, etc. Even if we were to magically eradicate every disease on earth, people who grew up during the pandemic are going to be masking, social distancing, wiping every surface with bleach, and constantly washing their hands until the day they die. If their children get sick with even the mildest cold, they will freak the fuck out like their kid is on the verge of death.

I've heard students who did remote learning in grade school who are now on middle school and high school are struggling to interact in-person. IIRC they got so used to doing things online, they don't know how to stay focused in class or second guess everything they do.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I don’t believe this. The remote learning thing was, to my knowledge, mandates for something like three months (a summer vacation) at most pretty much everywhere in the country and you’re telling me this completely stunted any part of the growth of children? Not everything else that we continue to subject children to since then? I’m losing my mind and don’t feel like I know how to socialize anymore as an adult who has not been to school in decades because I’m being gaslit by everyone around me 24/7 going on five years and counting. No. Kids are not stupid. We are doing this to them and if remote learning for brief periods of time sporadically through 20-21 has anything to do with it (and I do not believe it does) then it is extremely minimal in comparison to the sheer terror and ongoing psychic charade we have subjected them to daily since 2020.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

fucking thank you

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

've heard students who did remote learning in grade school who are now on middle school and high school are struggling to interact in-person. IIRC they got so used to doing things online, they don't know how to stay focused in class or second guess everything they do.

They've also probably got a decent amount of brain damage. Most kids have now been put through at least 3 surges with no precautions made to protect them. We know now that the asymptomatic infections that young people experienced in the early "it doesn't bother kids" phase was still probably messing them up long term.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Something like 70% of Covid cases enter a household from the children (as with other infectious diseases), so a lot of those kids and former kids are going to end up with the belief that they killed their parents.

(Joe Biden and Donald Trump and Larry Summers actually killed their parents.)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the number one injury among Covid conscious people for the foreseeable future is gonna be a bitten tongue. Last big visit I had with friends for a birthday was a lot of conversations about all the people we know getting sick and how everyone is dying so young all of a sudden. No mention of Covid, just me sitting there in my lone mask.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I got it for the second confirmed time recently and the symptoms lasted almost 2 full weeks, testing positive on antigen tests the entire time.

I was listening to knowledge fight yesterday and they were talking about Alex's grift he released in 2021 called reset wars. One of the hosts made an offhanded remark like "keep in mind this was released during the pandemic.... Which is ongoing but this was released when thousands of people were dying a day"

I almost yelled at the car stereo. We know there's a MASSIVE spike in infections right now but we don't have any data other than wastewater so there's no way to have an accurate death count.

Another grim thing i heard i think on the death panel podcast was that one of the reasons recent strains of COVID seem "less deadly" is because most of the people who were at risk of dying to a single COVID infection are already dead. That was a big wake up call for me to get my shit together honestly.

It relates to your comment about it being a burden, people who would ostensibly be on our side are more likely to hedge and "uh well i guess" their way through anything about COVID while any reactionary just shouts whatever they heard last at anyone who will listen

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I enjoyed the Formulaic Objections series but it did occasionally become clear that the hosts are liberals who are not critical enough of US lies... have they made any progress in that regard or are they still talking about Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't talk about it much but yeah Jordan is still some kind of weird incoherent leftish guy who yells about how putin is the devil once in a while. Dan still is a fence sitting civility guy who doesn't really get into his own opinions much. I wouldn't listen to their episodes about Alex's reaction to tucker interviewing putin, if I were you lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

putin is the devil

if only these pesky compradors we install would stay loyal, this empire thing would run just fine

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My sibling, who was already dying of cancer, died a lot sooner and suffered so much more from a covid infection that almost definitely came from his nurse.

I cant talk to anyone about it because my adoptive family is very antivaxx and anti mask

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry that happened to them. Absolutely evil that so many healthharm workers refuse to mask up around patients, all patients, but especially such very vulnerable populations as cancer patients!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You wouldn't believe how many people weren't wearing masks or wearing them incorrectly in the oncology unit

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are the constant attacks of breathlessness and gut-punch waves of terror because we have long covid or because we just 4 years ago had our faces clockwork-orange bad-dogged into the streaming pile of shit that is our material condition?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

we just 4 years ago had our faces clockwork-orange bad-dogged into the streaming pile of shit that is our material condition

That's a good way to put it. It's hard to fathom, but everyone universally suffered loss during COVID. The luckiest only lost experiences and opportunities, but that still sucks a fucking lot. And we were all expected to move on and never deal with those feelings. I know I personally feel like we're still just in the 54th month of March 2020

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Thread has convinced me to go get the latest shot right now, because it sounds like I've been absurdly lucky putting it off this long

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Girlfriend just got another round of it.

It's always funny when people are like "how is this still a thing?" And it's just like ........ it was everywhere and then we did nothing and declared it Not Our Problem anymore.

Can't imagine why it's not all wrapped up.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

I wish more people around where I am would ask "how is this still a thing?" It at least means you can give them the answer, exactly like you just did, which might in turn give them something to think about. Instead what I see from most people is more like this kind of sentiment: "Of course it's still a thing, it's just how things are now. Really it's always been like this. Colds happen, flu happens, covid happens. It's a fact of life, get used to it and get over it being a thing. You're still wearing a mask? What are you, some kind of hypochondriac who scrubs their hands raw every time someone sneezes?"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

COVID damaged my lungs, I have brain fog which combines with my ADHD to make thinking damn near impossible sometimes and I'm always so tired. I have sleep apnea but it seems worse now than it did before.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

the only connection i made up till now was that before covid i used to get a cold or flu like once a year and it was always a very similar pattern where you would be back up in a couple days. post covid tho it just feels like i'm sick all the time, i think i've been out with a cold/flu like 4 times this year already and there's a quarter left.

but for the past couple years my ADHD has also been incredibly difficult. it hasn't been this bad my whole life and i assumed that it was just because of circumstances. but it would be useful to see if this is a common experience post covid

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I've been reading Stolen Focus by Johann Hari. I don't know if it contains anything particularly revelatory, but it does do really well to line up all the evidence that tech (and our culture more generally) is designed to wreck our ability to concentrate. Anecdotally, my partner teaches and the number of kids who have issues with their phones and video games seems pretty high. COVID is probably accelerating the development of all these problems.

Also speaking anecdotally, I haven't had any major illnesses since the pandemic started and I've been massively struggling with mental health. I think we're just able to sense that our culture and society are both in a terrible place and that's causing a lot of mental strain.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I really benefitted from reading that book, but Johann Hari has been extremely controversial in his field (actually, he has no credentials, so (pop) psychology is not his field at all). He is a journalist, not a Doctor.

So if any one thing is helpful, fine, just know his conclusions are drawn far more from his own anecdotal experience and his empirical sources really don't support his conclusions.

He is also a serial plaigarist and his book on depression is absolute dog-water.

Another takedown that specifically talks about Stolen Focus here

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

Has anyone pointed out that people are treating COVID like they're playing with house money? They don't care 'cause they think it only harms people other than themselves.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this reminded me to get my vaccine today. Found the novavax being done at CVS, so going there rat-salute-2

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Make sure to double-check with what they're giving you. Lotta people out there complaining they're going in for novavax and just being given what's available.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

thank you for this, cause i signed up for novavax on the website, but when i got to store they said it autoswitched to pfizer. I triple checked before he injected me, that it was the brand new novavax.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There is a big wave going and the symptoms seem a little diffrent from what we are used to. So get you new shot if you can covid is back on the menu

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It was never off the menu. The vaccines are not enough. Please mask.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just 2nding what Ivysaur said, Covid never went away and the vaccines don't prevent infection or long covid. Of course people should get vaccinated, but the most important and effective protection is wearing a good respirator that fits well.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I think it's part COVID but also just part stress. Stress is absolutely a killer, extremely well documented. Who isn't more stressed these days at least in the western world? Everything is more uncertain. Things are expensive. Jobs are harder to get and keep. Wages are lower. Medicine and healthcare is harder to get. Society is literally collapsing around all of us in real time. That HAS to increase the general stress level of the population and that increased stress would absolutely lead to a lot of these things I think a lot of us are anecdotally seeing.

Definitely not saying COVID isn't part of that...it absolutely is, even if just "one more Big Illness going around constantly making life harder for everyone." That increases stress too and makes all of the other shit even worse. COVID is definitely one piece of the puzzle. It should be an easy piece to solve too... vaccination and masking and quarantines...but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Yesterday, I saw a big rig truck almost run some old lady driving a Prius off the road. Aggro car drivers are one thing, but aggro big rig drivers?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Oh I just posted about this in the mega. A coworker just died from a heart attack in their 40s. Ths situation screams covid but I can't say that out loud.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I got the jab today. My arm hurts. 😒

Don't know, man, last four years are globally fucked up, disaster after disaster, I don't blame the virus, I blame how it was handled and where that led us in the end. No wonder we're all fucked up.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

someone I know has had a pretty bad persistent cough for the past couple months, which was not the case a year ago

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As a global population I feel like we now inhabit two different worlds, and I do not see how the gap will be bridged. It is terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

The ambient lead poisoning of the 21st century.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I've had coworkers show up literally wheezing. No mask, no distancing. And my job has PSL too but they'd rather use that on vacation.

Ultimately this is a systemic and cultural failure. But it's hard not to be bitter at the individual manifestations of the social rot.

Anecdotally, any injury or illness seems worse and takes longer to recover than it used to. Some of that is age for sure, but like... Seems like 10-15 years of aging in the last 4 years.

Can't go anywhere in public without hearing a chorus of productive coughs. And some of them may not even have covid; colds and allergies and changes in temperature are enough to trigger the cough I've intermittently had since early 2020.

Ironically I wonder if covid's effect on the brain and risk analysis / decision making causes people to take it less seriously, not even think about the potential consequences. Like a human toxoplasmosis.

Hope it at least accelerates the collapse of the first world

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