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Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.
And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?
Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.
Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.
Only 70 million voted for him?
72 so far, Harris with 67. Pretty low turnout given the stakes
Pretty low compared to last election..
340ish million Americans, ~74 million of them changed the world forever.
He'll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don't cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.
I mean, we don't need the president's permission to revolt.
Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.
Excuse me?! They're called "internment camps"!
We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.
2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.
You're putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.
Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he's going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.
As if Republicans won't eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don't plan on being in the minority ever again.
Had Trump won in 2020, he'd have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it's crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he'd be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there's a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn't know how much they could get away with. They've seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there's another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn't John Kerry, it's Carter.
I've heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.
Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.
Alright fair point then my bad. I think the rest of it stands well enough though
Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.
I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.
But now, we're 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we'll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we're in the worst possible timeline the universe says "bet" and throws us another curveball.
I'm getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.
Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It's gone man, solid gone
I don't understand how the rhetoric this time didn't hurt him there tbh, he didn't change it really
The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we're bound and determined to add more to the pile.
WHY
Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN'T WORKING.
We don't. But maybe not here.
Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.
This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.
Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.
First, Democrat's gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel's genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical "decent conservatives" was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.
Second, "the high road" has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we're going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.
The worst thing about Trump by far is his refusal to accept a peaceful transition of power. It's a national tragedy that he will never be held accountable for that, and that his behavior has been validated by winning another election.
I'm glad she is setting an example of what a peaceful transition of power looks like, for those who apparently aren't familiar with the concept.
What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.
Liberals once again just giving over power to fascists. Tale as old as time.
Not even gonna resist? Really?
A bit different this time, since the people overwhelmingly voted for the fascist. The Nazi party in the late 30s only had a plurality in their parliament.
But yeah it definitely rhymes... Though I'm honestly not sure what else they should do that wouldn't result in all out civil war
Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.
So, I might get put on a list for this, but so be it.
Does no one else here feel like a little bit of fuckery has happened in the election process?
It's like overnight everyone has forgotten about all those ballot boxes that were burned, multiple cases of ballot box interference (1,2), and the fact that Trump and his ilk are always projecting, which means that when he says a state or someone is cheating, it very well could mean that he and his cronies are up to no good. What about those bomb threats?
Now, with all of that being said, I do NOT want to come off as the same of the likes of a Trump supporter. I do not want you all to look at me like I am trying to cause distrust in the system. I do trust the system (as much as I can of course), so let it be said here and now, I am not saying this as a matter of fact.
These points, and the very quick and almost instant next day results, have made me very much question the LANDSLIDE that Trump had this year. Voter turn out was at an all time high, and I know that doesn't mean a lot, but everything combined makes me a little inquisitive to the nature of the results. We know that Russian interference happened in 2016. We know about Russian interference in the 2020 election. We also expected, and are sure of, interference in this election of 2024. That's not even counting all the billionaires and millionaires having private little meetings about how they can push the scales to their favor, Trump and Musk talking to Putin in private, and I'm sure there are plenty more that we can all find easily verifiable facts on.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that something felt more off about this election, than the past three, to me at least.
Am I just being silly? Can someone help me here?
Honestly this has been knocking around in my head. Did truly less people vote this go around?
We have more days of counting to go through but I'm honesty surprised at the numbers so far.
If less people voted then fair, but something feels off. Kinda left with some uncomfortable possibilities if there's a way to know the true number of people that voted.
I agree. If there really are that much less votes this year, and everything is clear as can be, then I concede my theory. It just seems so.. strange? Like, he was literally sitting there claiming fraud, and then...? Nothing..? Just stopped peddling it, and won? Like, he got real confident, real quick..
Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode "You Go High, We Go Low".
Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I'm fond of mutualism in particular.
Wow, so noble.
Why didn't the Dems cheat like they did in 2020? Strange. /S