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With two months left in office, the president for the first time authorized the Ukrainian military to use the system known as ATACMS to help defend its forces in the Kursk region of Russia.

Mr. Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to use Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight.Credit...John Hamilton/White Sands Missile Range, via Associated Press

President Biden has authorized the first use of U.S.-supplied long-range missiles by Ukraine for strikes inside Russia, U.S. officials said. The weapons are likely to be initially employed against Russian and North Korean troops in defense of Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region of western Russia, the officials said. Mr. Biden’s decision is a major change in U.S. policy. The choice has divided his advisers, and his shift comes two months before President-elect Donald J. Trump takes office, having vowed to limit further support for Ukraine. Allowing the Ukrainians to use the long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s surprise decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said. Mr. Biden began to ease restrictions on the use of U.S.-supplied weapons on Russian soil after Russia launched a cross-border assault in May in the direction of Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city. To help the Ukrainians defend Kharkiv, Mr. Biden allowed them to use the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or HIMARS, which have a range of about 50 miles, against Russian forces directly across the border. But Mr. Biden did not allow the Ukrainians to use longer-range ATACMS, which have a range of about 190 miles, in defense of Kharkiv. While the officials said they do not expect the shift to fundamentally alter the course of the war, one of the goals of the policy change, they said, is to send a message to the North Koreans that their forces are vulnerable and that they should not send more of them. The officials said that while the Ukrainians were likely to use the missiles first against Russian and North Korean troops that threaten Ukrainian forces in Kursk, Mr. Biden could authorize them to use the weapons elsewhere. Some U.S. officials said they feared that Ukraine’s use of the missiles across the border could prompt President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia to retaliate with force against the United States and its coalition partners. But other U.S. officials said they thought those fears were overblown. The Russian military is set to launch a major assault by an estimated 50,000 soldiers, including North Korean troops, on dug-in Ukrainian positions in Kursk with the goal of retaking all of the Russian territory that the Ukrainians seized in August. The Ukrainians could use the ATACMS missiles to strike Russian and North Korean troop concentrations, key pieces of military equipment, logistics nodes, ammunition depots and supply lines deep inside Russia. Doing so could help the Ukrainians blunt the effectiveness of the Russian-North Korean assault. Whether to arm Ukraine with long-range ATACMS has been an especially sensitive subject since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Some Pentagon officials opposed giving them to the Ukrainians because they said the U.S. Army had limited supplies. Some White House officials feared that Mr. Putin would widen the war if they gave the missiles to the Ukrainians. Supporters of a more aggressive posture toward Moscow say Mr. Biden and his advisers have been too easily intimidated by Mr. Putin’s hostile rhetoric, and they say that the administration’s incremental approach to arming the Ukrainians has disadvantaged them on the battlefield.

Proponents of Mr. Biden’s approach say that it had largely been successful at averting a violent Russian response. Allowing long-range strikes on Russian territory using American missiles could change that equation. In August, the Ukrainians launched their own cross-border assault into the Kursk region, where they seized a swath of Russian territory. Since then, U.S. officials have become increasingly concerned about the state of the Ukrainian army, which has been stretched thin by simultaneous Russian assaults in the east, Kharkiv and now Kursk. The introduction of more than 10,000 North Korean troops and Mr. Biden’s response come as Mr. Trump prepares to re-enter office with a stated goal of quickly ending the war. Mr. Trump has said little about how he would settle the conflict. But Vice President-elect JD Vance has outlined a plan that would allow the Russians to keep the Ukrainian territory that their forces have seized. The Ukrainians hope that they would be able to trade any Russian territory they hold in Kursk for Ukrainian territory held by Russia in any future negotiations. If the Russian assault on Ukrainian forces in Kursk succeeds, Kyiv could end up having little to no Russian territory to offer Moscow in a trade. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has long sought permission from the United States and its coalition partners to use long-range missiles to strike Russian soil. The British and French militaries have given the Ukrainians a limited number of Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles, which have a range of about 155 miles, less than the American missile system. While British and French leaders voiced support for Mr. Zelensky’s request, they were reluctant to allow the Ukrainians to start using their missiles on Russian soil unless Mr. Biden agreed to allow the Ukrainians to do the same with ATACMS. Mr. Biden was more risk-averse than his British and French counterparts, and his top advisers were divided on how to proceed. Some of them seized on a recent U.S. intelligence assessment that warned that Mr. Putin could respond to the use of long-range ATACMS on Russian soil by directing the Russian military or its spy agencies to retaliate, potentially with lethal force, against the United States and its European allies. The assessment warned of several possible Russian responses that included stepped-up acts of arson and sabotage targeting facilities in Europe, as well as potentially lethal attacks on U.S. and European military bases. Officials said Mr. Biden was persuaded to make the change in part by the sheer audacity of Russia’s decision to throw North Korean troops at Ukrainian lines.

He was also swayed, they said, by concerns that the Russian assault force would be able to overwhelm Ukrainian troops in Kursk if they were not allowed to defend themselves with long-range weapons. U.S. officials said they do not believe that the decision will change the course of the war. But they said Mr. Biden determined that the potential benefits — Ukraine will be able to reach certain high-value targets that it would not otherwise be able to, and the United States will be able to send a message to North Korea that it will pay a significant price for its involvement — outweighed the escalation risks. Mr. Biden faced a similar dilemma a year ago when U.S. intelligence agencies learned that the North Koreans would supply Russia with long-range ballistic missiles. In that case, Mr. Biden agreed to supply several hundred long-range ATACMS to the Ukrainians for use on Ukraine’s sovereign territory, including the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula. Those supplemented the more limited supplies of Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles that the Ukrainians received from Britain and France. The Ukrainians have since used many of those missiles in a concerted campaign of strikes against Russian military targets in Crimea and in the Black Sea. As a result, it is unclear how many of the missiles the Ukrainians have left in their arsenal to use in the Kursk region.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

they pushed Biden left... left no one alive

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 hours ago

Oh great... we're all going to die because of a spiteful old man.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 12 hours ago

Biden walking out of the Oval office backwards flipping Trump off as nuclear sirens begin wailing to the applause of Blue Maga.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 14 hours ago

redditors are predictably like OMG FINALLY THANK YOU MR PRESIDENT PLEASE BURN MOSCOW soypoint-2

[–] [email protected] 38 points 13 hours ago

Biden is trying very hard to make people look forward to Trump

[–] [email protected] 52 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Biden giving a huge W to DPRK by saying their troops are as big of a threat as long range missiles

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They can push an entire train across Pyongyang, and get executed by anti aircraft gun and revive months later, you can't underestimate the DPRK.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

Juche necromancy is not a skill the Western Left will teach you.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

"Hey Trump, inherit this"

-Biden

[–] [email protected] 25 points 14 hours ago

Biden leaving the Oval Office for the last time to Hurt by Johnny Cash.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Liberals: Maybe Biden could sign in some legislation to protect the rights of us and others!

Biden:

[–] [email protected] 66 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 35 points 15 hours ago

Guess we doin scorched earth now thinking-about-it

[–] [email protected] 80 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This is the Dark Brandon the libs were salivating over

[–] [email protected] 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm shocked/amazed he didn't strike Iran or Hezbollah with Israel

[–] [email protected] 33 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

doomer there's 8 more weeks for that

[–] [email protected] 18 points 14 hours ago

True, but that's gonna be a christmas surprise

[–] [email protected] 81 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Biden could do something to try and make it up to all the people they've ignored the past 4 years before he leaves office and make a slight attempt to build support for the mid-terms.

Instead he's going to do a little escalation to remind everyone why they should hate Demsbiden-troll

[–] [email protected] 26 points 15 hours ago

WELL THAT'S A GREAT IDEA THANKS MR BIDEN SIR.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

Quite the gamble. If these missiles fail to live up to their export sales pitch and are intercepted by Russian air defence without any problems, that's just going to further the growing global suspicion that the US military is a paper tiger.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

they've actually been launching ATACMS into Russian territory since the beginning of the war

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

intercepted by Russian air defence

The S400 will intercept 100% of these.

They will not be able to use them on targets defended by the S400 system. It's going to have to be deployed near the border or on targets that are kinda quirky and unlikely to be defended.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's going to have to be deployed near the border or on targets that are kinda quirky and unlikely to be defended.

I have an ugly feeling that this is going to mean civilian targets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

It always meant civilian targets, even at the height of their offensive when you would think every bullet count, they were still launching sparse ordnance like HIMARS missiles on bus stops and shops in Donetsk.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

paper tiger

Paper terrorist

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

Ride the tiger tier fascism from the dems.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 16 hours ago

This is what it comes down to. The US has a lot of expensive, boutique weapons that made defense contractors very wealthy. When they're put into use against a near-peer, it doesn't take long for them to be countered. The HIMARS, for example, is in-and-out of efficacy because Russia learned how to jam their guidance systems.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 17 hours ago

This, uh, this is what you uh get for not voting for Kamala, fat biden-the-thing

[–] [email protected] 53 points 17 hours ago

This is the logical next step for Nato/Ukraine. The AFU front has been receding twice as fast as it was this time last year, the options are to escalate or negotiate. Of course the US will not allow the latter.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

Ah so this was the point of the DPRK soldier nonsense

[–] [email protected] 54 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

My thoughts exactly. Every time anything allegedly happens involving the US boogeymen and the only people saying it's happening are US puppets, gotta ask yourself, what is the US preparing to try to get away with?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago

The US spokesperson said that Russia's alliance with the UFOs was a step too far.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Is there any evidence of DPRK soldiers in Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 14 hours ago

Not according to recent statements from the South Korean government. If they are there, it's obviously not in a quantity that matters.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

only that the NATO general secretary said it was so, the same dude who has asked "What can we say to make it look like Israel is not committing war crimes?"

non arab news link

dutch link

[–] [email protected] 16 points 14 hours ago

Oh come on, didn't you know that more DPRK soldiers have been killed in the conflict than Russian soldiers?? You haven't been eating enough onion and beet slop, I can tell.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago

packwatch

spoilerthe pack watch is for the US rip bozo

[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago

bateman-business-card "full scale"

[–] [email protected] 58 points 17 hours ago

Escalation Through De-Escalation.

On the bright side, Drumpf may not have an Amerikkka to President over!

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 18 hours ago

what could go wrong? clueless

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 17 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 50 points 18 hours ago

biden-harbinger: IF I'M GOING DOWN, I'M TAKING YOU WITH ME!

[–] [email protected] 56 points 18 hours ago

gonna head over to CVS and pick up some iodine tablets

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