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https://fortune.com/2024/02/09/gen-z-grad-two-degrees-breaks-down-tears-minimum-wage-employers-resume-in-person/

“I was so upset and disappointed in myself because growing up, I was told that if I get an education, if I go to college, then I’ll be successful,” Santos told Business Insider—and she’s not the first Gen Zer to complain about feeling tricked into pursuing further education.

Just last month, 27-year-old Robbie Scott similarly went viral on TikTok for insisting that Gen Z isn’t any less willing to work than generations before. Instead, he said, they are “getting angry and entitled and whiny” about the prospect of having to work hard for the rest of their adult life, only to “get nothing in return.”

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 9 months ago (3 children)

In no way could the country's young people having plenty of spare time but no ability to pay for the necessities of life possibly be a recipe for a disaster

[–] [email protected] 86 points 9 months ago (1 children)

'Recipe for a disaster' or 'possibility for an opportunity'?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago

Like The Hangover but instead of the start of a big night out, every Friday evening could be the start of a week with a surprise decade hidden inside of it.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

massively multiplayer real time zero-ping minecraft

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)
  1. Raise people in a deeply hierarchical class system, seeping with racism and hatred for the poor.
  2. Promise them that they will get a ticket to the good life, unlike those lazy [insert slur], if they just work hard and get a degree.
  3. Fuck them over when they get the degree. Give them nothing.
  4. I guess only good stuff happens here. A bunch of desperate people who feel cheated out of the privileges they feel entitled to has never resulted in anything bad.
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[–] [email protected] 121 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Anytime I hear "The economy is doing great" I parse it as "The king is so wealthy. The Lord of treasury boasts of his boundless coffers, he is rich, so I am too."

[–] [email protected] 69 points 9 months ago

Same feeling in company meetings when they tell us how much money they are making

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago

but GDP up??? what you mean standard of living low??

[–] [email protected] 99 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One of the highest paid people I know got her first job out of school at her parents' company. Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 9 months ago (2 children)

she’s not the first Gen Zer to complain about feeling tricked into pursuing further education.

A growing trend in business news journals is to tell people that pursuing college degrees is some kind of trap. It is downright sinister how the response to the student debt crisis has simply been to lie to young people about their future job prospects without a college degree.

If a Fortune Magazine reporter comes at you with a microphone, remember that you are acting in self-defense when you draw and fire.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, I remember being in high school, unsure of what I wanted to go to college for and being told

it doesn't matter, as long as you get a degree in something

Which, let me tell you, does not help at all

I've gotten all of my jobs because I knew someone

[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The trick is to study abroad and never come back. Fuck this hellhole, that's what I should have done.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Or get a degree to do a soulless email job like I did desolate

But I still only got my current job because I knew someone

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

first-time I just applied to a nursing home dietary aid the other day and never got even a fuck you back, college degree too lmao

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (3 children)

yea i think i get ignored by half the jobs i apply for, and the other half is an automated decline message. i think i get 1 callback for like... 100-200 applications. kinda hard to keep going.

and i have a degree + 2 years of experience in the industry :3

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was at 300 applications for 4 interviews and one offer, go into STEM they said, you'll be employable they said

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

grillman: "Just get STEM only, bro."

Biology is laughed at as useless

grillman: "Lol JK, just learn to code, bro."

Coding becomes oversaturated

grillman: "Lol JK, just learn a trade, bro."

They come up with whatever excuse to not hire us this time

grillman: "Lol JK, just start your own business, bro."

With what money? We reinvented feudalism

grillman: "Well if you don't like it, just be reborn as a god and create your own planet, bro."

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

never got even a fuck you back

If you want, I can give you a fuck you. I know it's not much, but every little bit helps

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

That's the kind of solidarity that I come to Hexbear to see solidarity

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Something about the picture of a crying young woman, the word choice of "humbled" and the publication this is in is giving me the distinct impression that this was written for bosses and Scott Adams/David Sedaris types to metaphorically jerk off to the humbling of those naive kids who think they're too good for poverty.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

i can imagine the comments section without checking. "she shouldn't have gotten a degree in gender studies and critical race theory then!" "my niece is exactly like this, she got an education and now she thinks the world OWES her a living."

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We literally have those types in this thread.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bingo. Lot of Big Brains claiming people should just major in STEM, since the job market is always hot for them.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And then the people with stem degrees are also not getting jobs

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It really gets my piss boiling when people use education as a substitution for class analysis. STEM vs. Humanities. College vs. trade school. It's as dumb and reactionary as the big city vs. the "Heartland" crap. In a functional complex society you need people who are good at all sorts of different things. Hate the bougies who are actually stealing from you, not those who went to a different school than you.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just last month, 27-year-old Robbie Scott similarly went viral on TikTok for insisting that Gen Z isn’t any less willing to work than generations before. Instead, he said, they are “getting angry and entitled and whiny” about the prospect of having to work hard for the rest of their adult life, only to “get nothing in return.”

I imagine having been told to spend so much money so they can get a job that pays it off has a lot to do with their anger. Cant say I'd blame them really.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago (13 children)

I've been filing out 20-50 apps weekly for 6 months. I have actual experience too. I'm still unemployed. But I have double depression, double burnout from trying to get a job and keep up with both programming and IT/networking, I am also in shutdown-lite™️ mode, have meltdowns 3-5 times a week and cry 2-3 times a day. I'm a 40 year old man and we have 2 kids and a single income(teacher salary). Can I go viral too?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

But I have double depression, double burnout

americans have depression and burnout, but in typical american extravagance they have two of them

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's actually a form of sever chronic depression I recently learned about and the guy I was talking to called it double depression. What he described sounded very similar to what I have. Basically think of having 24/7 depression but yuo are extra depressed where normal people might just have a depression spell.

The double burnout bit was more meant as a joke based on the double depression thing. I was listening to a podcast about autistic burnout and sort of realized I've probably been in burnout from my autism for the last couple of years.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How dare people call us lazy when we literally are NOT ALLOWED TO WORK?

I can't work if no one gives me permission to work, idiots. In a just world, these porks will be threatened prison time if they don't cough up the jobs.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

he said, they are “getting angry and entitled and whiny” about the prospect of having to work hard for the rest of their adult life, only to “get nothing in return.”

"You will own nothing... And you will be happy."

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

Beatings will continue until morale improves

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

If she has degrees in communication & acting, that is to say (no judgement implied ofc) that she is a trained liar, and you really shouldn't believe anything she says.

This is in fact her jobs pitch, because she wants to work in the media, she did not in fact hand out resumes to minimum wage jobs and has no intention of working one, probably everything in the article is false these kind of 'experience/perspective' pieces usually are.

edit: perhaps 'storyteller' is a more polite way of saying it. But aside from that ("I'm a story teller & have always wanted to be one, in fact I studied how to tell storys and give performences, now let me tell you a true story about my experience - I even cry") the fact its reported in Business Insider, Fortune dot com, Daily Mail, should really tell you its wholesale fabrication.

Newspapers don't generally run pieces featuring anyone below the kind of 'minor gentry' class in a sympathetic light like this. They do run pieces (often fabricated) from people of their own class who are supposed to create a relatable crafted narrative for the lower orders.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

At this point I assume any viral video featured on a big news source is a setup. It's either someone trying to get in on a grift, or it's a pre-existing grift and some money got juiced into it somewhere. I never thought I'd miss the days of genuine cranks getting popular.

But you're right, this video felt the same as those headlines like "Millennial buys $1.2 million house with their own money by drinking water instead of avocado juice"

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

Chomsky is a liberal sellout but the last section of this paragraph from a 1996 speech of his has imprinted itself on my mind:

So for example, Brazil. There’s a terrific economic miracle under the neo-Nazi Generals that we installed with great self-adulation back in the 60s. And by 1971 it had become the Latin American darling of the business community. And the President, the General who ran the place, pointed out that the economy is doing fine, it’s just that the people aren’t.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (14 children)

She has degrees in communication and acting, if she just has that without a bunch of skills/experience to go with it, I'm not surprised that min wage jobs are ignoring her. Like it sounds kinda harsh but why would Starbucks care about your acting degree?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's more of a problem of how little availability there is for her to actually put the degrees to use, there's clearly a problem in the allocation of resources when educated professionals don't have the ability to actually put their skills into the market. Proletarization goes brrrr

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

tbh kinda her fault for not majoring in "being born owning massive companies"
better luck next life!

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago

She should have went straight to Starbucks university and gotten her masters in Frappuccino Design

[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Like it sounds kinda harsh but why would Starbucks care about your acting degree?

Because why the fuck wouldn't they? All you have to do is follow the training for like a week and then pour coffee

I'm her age and I was told growing up that it didn't always matter what your degree was, just that you had one. That the act of going to higher education was the important part, not the words on the paper. It's bullshit, of course, but 18 year old me wasn't immune to propaganda, and neither were most people

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Plus the environment is full of people with an incentive to lie to you or engage in wishful thinking to validate their career choices.

In undergrad my profs would regularly distribute all this literature about cool jobs you could get in history. I always planned to go for a PhD so I knew those other things weren't actually that realistic and teaching was your best shot but a lot of my classmates didn't know.

Of course after getting my MA abroad I realized that nobody in the states is gonna get paid to teach about obscure history when the Humanities are dying wholesale. No one told me that they're not hiring professors anymore except as adjuncts. I was lucky to get a full ride and not have debt but to actually have a career in history I would have had to live abroad forever.

No one in the dying field has any incentive to tell you the field is dying.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

It's actually the opposite.

They take one look at that degree and see you're overqualified, which means you might get uppity if the manager steals from your paycheck.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don’t worry, I’m sure Matt Walsh will take time out of his busy schedule of refusing to do household chores to admonish her for being lazy.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

She recieved responses???

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