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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

non binary feels/dysphoria

Increasingly realizing my non binary-ness by how much I recoil at being called β€œdoll,” β€œgirl,” and other cutesy terms. Like, i’m almost 30, I get why folks do it, but I find it patronizing mostly for transfems.

Like one would never refer to a cis woman as girl constantly?

This is probably me being very autistic about this, idk

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

spoilerThere's definitely an infantilising quality to it which is... Discomforting sometimes. I'm always a bit torn on it when using it or being called it, but at the same time I also fall into that category of transfem that finds comfort in the term so I use it probably more than I should. I try to avoid it at least if I don't know the person in question is comfortable with it though, although I might've slipped up on that once or twice.

It's definitely not just a you thing or an autistic thing though, I know a lot of people uncomfortable with how tranfems use the term for various reasons.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

spoilerLike even in another part of this thread, I have no desire and even repulsion at being called a β€œgood girl” but I love that this affirms folks too. makima-think Slip ups are okay! We’re only human and gender is a fuck. Going to start asking folks in my circle to stop using it with me though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

spoilereven as someone that would melt at the right person saying good girl, I couldn't imagine just using it to someone and assuming the default is that's fine. I hope the people around you will chill with that as soon as you ask

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

spoilerI have the repulsion too, like nails down a chalkboard but I know it's different for others. I've also been infantilised by people even recently, all of this raises my hackles, I feel like a rottweiler lol seriously.. nothing more insulting..

Hopefully they'll understand, I know some get defensive unfortunately

goodluck <3

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Proud to be of service comrade-raccoon

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

:::spoiler spoiler

"Doll" feels so so so bad, it's by far the most infantilizing term for transfems.

Personally I'm realizing I don't really vibe with 'girl' (for similar reasons to 'doll', it's infantilizing) as in 'i am a girl', but when used in a similar way to 'dude', i'm completely fine with it.

'Sis' being used in a similar way to 'dude' is kinda rad tho.

"Queen" on the other hand is pure bad feels for me because of how heavily i associate it with the cis gay drag scene. Yeah I know it was used by cis women before drag got as popular as it is now, but I personally associate it cis gay culture too much to be comfortable with it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I mean men definitely refer to fully grown women as girls tbf

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

spoilerUgh don’t I know it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

tbf

Think it’s more fair that they refer to each other like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I've seen a straight cis man who calls other straight cis men girl. He's not even feminine in any way, i think he just does it for the juxtaposition lol.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Me and my coworkers (my coworkers are all cis women) refer to each other as girls. I dunno, not a big deal for me obviously. I would absolutely respect someone's preferences to not be referred to as those terms.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

leo-point Women be calling eachother girls!!!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Oh interesting! To be clear, did not mean to be insulting about folks enjoying be called good girl. It was my bewilderment at why someone might find it appealing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're so real for this, even if it is an autism thing idgaf. Also yeah, way I see it you can only read "girl" as a way address someone A) in the camp gay way B) patronisingly. Idk I think I kinda hate it too? Although I have heard cis women address eachother as GIRRRRRL often.

I haven't decided where my own boundaries are on this stuff so it's odd but I dislike this also =)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I also note that cis women don’t use it in the same way? At least not above a certain age/maturity. Not at all implying that we need to base what we do off what the cis do. Just find these differences in language interesting and digging into why they make me so uncomfortable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This is autism so Idk necessarily but when my mother used to take me to get my hair done and stuff, (before she kicked me out lmao) I would actually hear mid-40s cis women talk to eachother that way in casual conversation, as a sort of YASS QUEEN SLAY -ism which was bizarre. Maybe it's kind of a "winemom" thing? Idk cis women are so damn weird and I cannot comprehend their social movements generally.

It is a good thing to dig in and find out why stuff is a certain way =)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

First off, fuck parents like that. And yes, the social movements of the cis are inscrutable to me, lmao

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah she was cool until her fucking boyfriend or w/e wasn't =) Thank u for saying about this though, I felt like I was watching a weird secret ritual every time I watched the cisβ„’ interact lol. Whole thing is super weird, I think even if "girl" didn't have a weird infantilising tone associated I probably still wouldn't be into it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Many such cases like your mom. sadness gulag

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel this too, most endearment terms irk me so i try to make it clear to others not to do that with me.

Girl, queen, sis, all that stuff.. Is a big bugs-no

Anything that tries to keep you in that binary gets a similar reaction..

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ohmygod, glad i’m not the only one! toriel-blush I feel like a crazy person communicating this out in the world when that’s how many of the transfems around me refer to each other! Like I know it is supposed to endearing, it just feels wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Oh seriously it needs said more.. I try to make it clear that for me don't use those terms. I feel the same way.

It feels wrong and it does irk me a lot. You're not alone and people should respect how you feel comrade-raccoon

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sorry if I've done that to any of you ohnoes I just love being called a girl so much. I will try to be more mindful.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

You're doing great! Like I said, gender is a fuck. comrade-raccoon