askchapo

I think the vast majority of settlers [from the overthrown Zionist entity] will either be [redacted]

The idea that "Arabs" are going to slaughter so-called "Israelis" on mass is just racist Zionist gobbledyremoved that you're taking way too seriously. The settlers do not "know" that they will get "redacted", they've been propagandized to believe that this will happen. I can assure you that this is in fact not going to happen, any more than the end of apartheid saw a mass slaughter of white South Africans nor the end of Rhodesia saw a mass slaughter of white Zimbabweans — even if (frankly, especially since) the Zionist settlers comprise about half of Palestine's population last I remember. Like, there's a reason why the DDR had so many former Nazis as bureaucrats, right? They denied the Nazis institutional power, but when there's so many of them so thoroughly integrated into every nook and cranny of society, then you pretty much just have to put them to work somehow, right?

So Palestinians are not going to Thanos snap the better educated half of their homeland's population right after a devastating conflict and their own people's maiming and genocide; nor are those settlers going to throw away their lives in the name of an ideology which literally collapsed before their very eyes. Do not forget how incompetent the IOF is at "fighting" anyone but children armed with sticks and stones: the settlers "fight" not out of genuine commitment, but out of a bought, fickle, and above all else temporary loyalty which will (for most of them) not withstand any sort of genuine threat to their lives. The settlers only believe the propaganda and ideology they're fed as long as they're materially incentivized to do so; once the going gets tough they'll freeze up and whimper like the cops in Uvalde.

Kill the settler-colonial dynamic and you've pretty much already killed the settler, is basically my thinking.

how would you react if your country decides to accept settlers? Would you support the move? If they were going to live in your community/ neighborhoods how would you feel?

I myself am the European-born child of a former settler born on occupied Turtle Island, so I see no reason whatsoever why I should not welcome so-called "Israelis" with open arms to this country, provided that the "Israelis" do not act like a bunch of goddamn "when-wes". If I were in charge I'd even mandate reeducation and perhaps some employment restrictions.

But yeah, we have to remember that a major reason why fascists have supported Zionism throughout history has been to decrease the Jewish populations across the world, and so to openly welcome Jews to different countries — even Jews who were born settlers — would mark the supreme failure of antisemitism, of fascism, and of Zionism.

All in all I think I'd hold settler-refugees from the Zionist Entity to the same standards as anyone else: hiss at the ones who engage in reactionism and show no remorse, the ones who work in ghoulish industries or get "paperclipped" as someone else said, the ones who hoard wealth... But if you as a former Zionist settler now find yourself in an unfamiliar country, working a regular nine-to-five job (or perhaps struggling to find one), and you're for the first time in your life being exposed to honest to God actual antisemitism instead of the propagandized caricature of antisemitism you were taught in school growing up, and you're actually experiencing second-hand citizen status due to being a refugee... Then yeah, I think you deserve whatever help you need, in the same way as, like, former convicts with just absolutely horrifying criminal records.

Colonialism first asks of colonizers to throw away their empathy, to practically throw away their humanity. Colonizers are then able to regain their empathy and humanity by engaging in anti-colonial struggle, and often this might happen precisely because the circumstances push them to, right?

I have heard people argue that so-called "Israelis" are basically just treated as 100% white and so will comfortably fit in any country in the Global North... But I don't think this is necessarily the case. The "Israelis" who are useful to the satanic machinery of the Global North, yes, the ones who are wealthy, the ones who go to the rest of the Global North under the implicit understanding that they'll "go back" or at the very least won't get "too numerous"... I think that once it's clear to the West that it needs to switch into a neocolonial rule of liberated Palestine, that it will focus on accruing as many refugees as possible, to make them into another steady stream of cheap labor, and this will include former Zionist settlers. Compare this to the situation with Ukrainians right now: on the one hand "brave martyrs for Western democracy fighting against the Asiatic hordes" or whatever, and on the other hand "your degree ain't worth shit here, something something Ukrainian strippers, something something you can be sent to the frontlines at any moment".

The children of former Zionist settlers after the liberation of Palestine are practically guaranteed to be normal people, in any case.

.02 and probably wrong at points

Unfortunately I don’t get a choice. There are already IDF war criminals attending the university I work at. And they already had US citizenship.

They're gonna get Operation Paperclipped. Hope and pray that your locality will not decide to just put an IDF dude in charge of your police force like the Nazis they put in charge of NATO and NASA.

most of them probably already have citizenship in the US or some other safe, wealthy global north country where they'll fit right in

This is a weird question. There is absolutely no reason to claim settlers would be killed, that isn't what Hamas is fighting for, and they have repeatedly said their opposition is to Zionism not to Jews. To suggest otherwise is the same kind of scaremongering that was used to defend the extension of apartheid in South Africa. In all likelihood Israelis who wanted to stay in Palestine could stay, they just couldn't live in an apartheid ethnostate anymore. As in the case of other former settler states, many would choose to leave of their own accord though

better here than in occupied palestine. yeah it's going to suck to have a giant inflow of reactionary shitheads, but they belong here and are of the west. Better here than invading other countries.

I honestly don't care, as long as they fuck off and leave the Palestinians alone

Israelis except the Zionist leadership and fascists would be fine. A ton would flee back to their own countries but there would be a lot of them unable to do so and will stay around Palestine. I want liberated Palestine to be a secular nation which respects all ethnicities and not to down the same path as Israel.

The existence of the state of Isn'treal is a product of The West's collective guilt about turning away the MS St.Louis. Its existence is a tacit admission that they'd do it again.

Was there a mass exodus of Anglo South Africans in 1990 or whatever?

Yeah, sure. Give them a re-education, keep them on a watch for a while for any terrorist activity. Don't let them near jobs that give them any power. Police, politics, teaching etc.

I'm not a fan of fighting genocide with genocide unless there is no other option.

When the settler regimes occupying Zimbabwe and South Africa fell, the apartheid hardliners fled to Israel. Is there any other ethnostate they could flee to this time round?

There's not that many of them right? Like a couple million or something? I imagine most would end up in the US. Nobody would notice probably.

Isn't exactly "refugee" status when they have dual citizenship and just move back to PA, where they where born and raised...

Yes, send them back to the Great Satan (where they came from).

It's just another chicken in the large flock coming home to roost. Maybe their kids will grow up alright once they aren't marinating in apartheid sauce.

Yes.

And tried for warcrimes as a precondition for entry.

Yea that's chill, kinda weird to say no if you live in a developed country tbh

They have immense reparations to pay to Palestine not to mention neighbouring countries, such as Lebanon in particular.

Unironically bring back the gulags.

I don't see the purpose of asking this question when Israel is still extant and capable of surviving while Palestine burns. Israel hasn't surrendered because they can do this attrition warfare longer than Gaza can hold out, despite any gains or advantages Ansrallah and Hezbollah have over Israel at the moment. Israel and the US are both willing to escalate in calculated and measured ways.

Considering that Jewish Israelis are 70% of the population, it's likely that they will stay in the long term. Before Oct 7th, there was already a sort of exodus of Israelis to Europe/US because of lack of economic opportunity, high rents, low wages; reasons people leave their country as it is. Israel is not really stable without US support.

If they aren't fascists, sure. If they are, they should get the pit with all the other fascists.

Bonus question: Would the term "refugee" be an appropriate descriptor for them?

Personally I wouldn't use the term to honestly describe them, but I don't know what other word to use.

They should all be deported by Germany. This is not based on any practical or reasonable principle. It is just the funniest outcome.