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This graphic and title were published by The New York Times in two articles separated by eight days.

Ukraine's Counteroffensive Has Made Progress. But It Has Much Farther to Go (2023-09-20)

How the Front Line Has Barely Moved in Ukraine this Year (2023-09-28)

spoilerThis javascript bs sure makes for shitty snapshots, but I refuse to link directly to the NYT. meow-tableflip

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Based on the victory pics I've seen, they're mostly liberating rubble. Which is, like, sad. A tremendous waste of resources fighting a pointless war on a dying planet

[–] [email protected] 81 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The horror of war that liberals refuse to talk about. Ukrainians spent the last two years trading high explosives on every last standing piece of public infrastructure. It doesn't matter who wins this war in the end. The people of Ukraine will have lost unfathomable amounts of working capital, nevermind the entire generation of conscripts that were shoved into free fire zones or sent out to stomp on land mines.

This is the Iran-Iraq War of nightmarish bloody pointless futility.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago

This is the Iran-Iraq War of nightmarish bloody pointless futility.

Finally a better comparison of what's happening...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When you put it that way, it's like if a restaurant closes at 7 and the war is being fought at 6:45. Like it's not going to make a difference and my shift is almost over. Why do I have to work so hard right now?

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Truly achieving World War 1 levels of movement

[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago

As well as WWI levels of moral pointlessness.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago

I'm sure Russia could move forward in some places, but they don't need to. At this point all they need to do is win the war of attrition and keep their defensive positions (which is obviously much easier than attacking). Ukraine will come to them anyway.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

For Russia's sake, I hope not. By year 4 of that war people were dying by the tens of thousands on individual ill-conceived military maneuvers. And unless Poland or Hungary enters the war on the side of Ole Vlad, there's no Western Front to take the pressure off.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

movement, not tactics

[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how much of an editorial battle was waged in the NYT offices about whether or not to show the Russian gains alongside the Ukrainian gains

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've definitely seen a version of this map that only showed Ukrainian gains. So other papers' editorial battles must have gone differently

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably more CIA moles at NYT trying to blunt the Biden admin's thirst for world war three

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

critical support cia moles?

I have seen a lot more negative press coverage of the war lately, the Guardian just published some pretty damning stuff on Zelenskyy's regime and they have normally been strongly pro-Ukraine. Ukraine apparently asked western governments to do strikes on Iran and Syria to stop drones from being sent to Ukraine and put pressure on Russia elsewhere.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/ukraine-planned-iran-attack-kyiv-sought-missiles-to-neutralise-kamikaze-drone-threat-details-101695877872989.html

Zelenskyy still trying to start WW3. First it was the no-fly-zone shit, then it was attacking the ZNPP constantly and saying it was Russia, then it was misfiring rockets into Poland and blaming Russia and invoking article 5. Now it's this. Ukraine is absolutely off the rails, it's a rabid dog that needs to be put down

[–] [email protected] 61 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

looks like a feature on a weather map know as weather fronts, when it has alternating red and blue bumps like that it's called a "Stationary Front"

curious-sickle

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

We'll have an eighty percent chance of artillery shells tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All we need is a few more billion dollars for weapons, trust me bro.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just give us the next wunderwaffen, I swear bro. We'll get it done, bro, bro please.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

We just need a theoretical Great Man like the le Ghost of Kiev to pilot some wunderwaffen and singlehandedly win the war. Take off every "Zig!" You know what you doing. Move "Zig." For great justice.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

kitty-cri-screm but Ukraine just liberated a village of 6 people with a goat mayor.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Greatest of all time mayor

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago

geordi-no Ukraine's Counteroffensive Has Made Progress

geordi-yes Ukraine's Counteroffensive Has Made Up Progress

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago

Man that $113 billion America has thrown at Ukraine is really paying off. Can’t think of anything else that would have been a more beneficial use of public dollars.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wine cave warriors are continually popping corks and clinking glasses over thousands of slaughtered people that they can vicariously enjoy from the other side of the planet.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don’t forget the breadtubers

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m a leftist and I’m just TIRED of all these RUSSIAN PROPAGANDISTS who refuse to acknowledge my pathetic bad faith sealioning.

It is only a coincidence that the perfect leftist position is identical to state department talking points!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anything to the left of free college and legal weed is a Russian Chinese tankie op maybe-later-honey

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

After the revolution breadtubers will be forced to wear clown makeup and be paraded through the streets

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

WW1 bros we are SO BACK

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A lot of libs and online types don't seem to consider that this war might just drag on for years and years, killing millions, and ultimately just turn into a frozen conflict with no resolution.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While that certainly seems like what eternal Washington wants out of Ukraine, I'd rather bet on one side collapsing or retracting first.

The human burden on Ukraine has been incredible, and the economic damage on pretty much all of Europe is grave after just 18 months of conflict. Doubt this drags on for many more years.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

ukraine is surely going to win any day now

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

love my warhammer 40k style forever war between methed out juntas

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

0-0 Full time

Check out these field tilt graph tho

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