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But this rarely works because 1) in their mind, nothing could be more evil or harmful than genocide,

....uh.........

CW SA, genocide

i skipped through this dogshit article to find the actual arguments. here is what they suggest:

Say you feel conflicted, too. Forming a bridge of understanding with those who are suffering anguish at the role our country and this administration are playing in Gaza is foundationally critical to having any kind of productive discussion. Expressing your own emotions—whether it’s frustration, horror, pain, sorrow, confliction—will open a patch of common ground on which real dialogue can happen. It is an invitation to share more, not shut down. And talking with someone who also hates what’s happening in Gaza but arrives at a different result on how to act on it can be illuminating.

Talk about other issues that matter to you. This is a key point. When someone is stuck on the narrative that “Joe Biden is bad,” you should move away from talking about the candidates (Biden v. Trump) and talk instead about all the issues that matter to you. This election is about Gaza, yes. But it’s also about many other things:

Ask them what else matters to them. You won’t be able to convince voters that they are wrong for standing on the Gaza issue and not supporting Biden. How they ultimately vote is something they will have to arrive at in just over six months, and each journey will differ. All anyone can do now is seek to expand the discussion beyond the war to include all of the other things that also matter to progressive voters. From there, they’ll have to make up their own mind, but you will have left an opening. Let them say aloud what else they care about, and then let them make their own decisions.

so the advice is to deflect and emotionally manipulate people

He was literally stuffed in a concentration camp when he was a kid, how the fuck does he process the fact he's advocating for exactly what he went through but a thousand times worse?

This election is about Gaza, yes. But it’s also about many other things:

• Reproductive freedom and a right to abortion that was stripped away from millions of women overnight;

While who was president?

Can Trump can take away federal reproductive rights any harder? I don't think so. They're already gone.

Compassion and full equality for the LGBTQ+ community, particularly trans youth in need of gender-affirming medicine;

As a member of at least 4 letters of LGBTQ+, I don't need "compassion", I need fucking action, which has not been forthcoming in the current Biden presidency.

• Threats to democracy

Don't be ridiculous.

• An economy that focuses on the needs of the people at the bottom and the middle, not those at the very top;

That's communism, not liberalism.

Liberals will shake their head at any policy or candidate that actually addresses these things.

Most of us know someone on the left who is dug in against voting for Joe Biden because of U.S. policy toward Israel and Gaza.

This warms my heart

literal Q tier shit

Imagine being born inside of a Japanese internment camp and still loving this country.

only when the last palestinian has been murdered, after all the denial, downplaying, and inaction toward this genocide we've seen from these sick fucks, will they employ that performative compassion they do with every injustice, and pretend as though they're deeply appalled by the tragedy they caused. not with a hint of introspection and accountability of course; they'd rather have a republican victory than truly compromise with us because then they can shift the blame from themselves to maga, and to leftists as well for supposedly letting trump win and continue to carry out the genocide that they themselves were going to keep doing anyway

when they inevitably bring out the crocodile tears, we should never let them forget how they acted during all of this

"Bernie was the compromise."

Despite how much of a spineless coward and perhaps just as bad in different ways, this is literaly walking in circles as far as democrats rethorics goes, perpetualy stuck in the years between 2016 and 2020 from now on.

The Democratic Party has spent more effort in the past few months to shut down/censor left-wing and pro-Palestine activism than they have in the past 10 years to shut down/censor right-wing rhetoric that promotes hatred of migrants, Muslims, LGBT people, "globalists" (which basically just means imaginary Jewish conspirators), etc; never mind that the latter has lead to actual murders against all aforementioned groups. Why should we believe them when they've thoroughly proven that they're far more interested in wielding power against the left than against the Republicans they were supposedly elected to fight?

i love how libs go into this sort of discussion thinking they're going to get any response out of normal people that isn't "lol kill yourself". like bestie, no one's fucking listening to you, no one cares, you cannot yapp hard enough to deceive the evidence of people's eyes.

these people are really trying to ~fAcTs AnD lOgIc~ their way around footage of dead children and it isnt' gonna fucking work

He and his family was rounded up at gunpoint into open air prison camps just because of his race. Leopards ate his face and he was cool about it.

He has a point about it being a deal breaker. All of us who voted for Biden in 2020 actually did make a sort of deal with liberalism to fight against fascism... and then the liberals joined forces with fascists to do genocide.

they say they can’t support a president for reelection who would back a genocidal campaign against the Palestinians. No amount of “but he’s a good man” [...] reasoning seems to move them from their position

stupid wokes should have realised that the guy who's spent half a century defending apartheid and child murder is actually a decent guy

they say they can’t support a president for reelection who would back a genocidal campaign against the Palestinians.

They can't even admit to themselves what's going on

At what point while typing this out do you think they turn to their friend and ask "are we the baddies?"

They say they won't vote for a president who is enacting a genocide, we'll show them why they're wrong, not about the genocide, that's definitely happening, we'll show them why they're wrong not to endorse it

Sincerely fuck yourself from the bottom of my heart

Still remember a few years back when I was still a bit of a lib and cared about following pages on facebook how the person/people running his FB page thought it would be great to post an article on the Israeli Wonderwaffen. Instantly unfollowed.